Constructive feedback about the game and its future direction

[HornetMaX]

every thing related to roodney turns into a "bloodynewspaper".I do not understand what he want,and if he were to join the group of Piboso development (.....he deserve it?his mods are all wrong.....),I think many will leave this simulator!we trust in Piboso not in ""rodney""!

I think in this thread rodney expressed his opinions in an almost proper manner. Maybe a bit too loud, but still almost OK to me in terms of form (I may disagree on the content, of course).

Not sure I could tell the same about your comments in this thread Freddy.

So let's try to avoid to start another flamewar again ... we all recall what was the outcome of the last one ...

MaX.

[PiBoSo]

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There is nothing wrong in using "feelings" to tune the physics, because unfortunately there is a lot of data that cannot be got ( or that would be too difficult to get ) from the real world.
But at the very least the basic, known data should be accurately replicated: rake angle and geometry in general, mass, weight distribution, inertia, springs, aerodynamics, engine, gearbox, ...
Especially since bike and engine editors have been released.
If a modder just take the Murasama and turns it into a supermoto without even changing the springs, or with a rake angle that is half the real one, then this guy is not putting feeling over numbers: he's not even trying and he's just doing a VERY crappy work, that GP Bikes and ( most of ) its community don't deserve.

[Mac]

PiBoSo +100000000000

I rode KTM and it was very funny and with a good feeling but when I read that Rodney changed gear ratio because the bike was too fast for a stock bike I made this face:  Gear ratio is one of the easiest info to know for a stock bike, why not using real data?

[WALKEN]

Quoting Rodney- "however "feels right" and "on paper it must be right" is the battle we face here. From what I can see there are just too many barriers and mindless knumbskulls in this community to help it go forward, so many walls and so much narrowminded
dictator godlike worshiping of a higher power that anything else is not satisfactory." end quote

See what I mean?  Now we (the community) know where we all stand due to your constructive feedback on us all

Your idea of moving forward is starting threads that read- "This game feels worse than ever- Simulator or a mess" I changed the title topic and then you took the liberty to change it again and back pedaled. 

"no offence" Rodney, but your feedback isn't very helpful for this community. As you stated - We are just a bunch of mindless numskulls. dictator godlike worshipping  of a higher power.

Remember one thing- this is not about you or me or anyone else, its about the cause & effect.

[grimm]

@Piboso,



I totally agree with representing the actual data as accurately as possible. From what I saw when I was helping test the KX-F, was that at such an early stage in development there wasn't a whole lot of time for anything further to be modified before it was pushed for early release and then denounced as unfinished and poor feeling. Given constructive feedback, I feel that Rodney would have adjusted the things that were amiss and provided a far better platform for future supermoto releases. One of the largest concerns when the beta of it was released was the fact so much of it had not been changed from the basic platform it started on.

I surely can't be the only vocal member here that tried the earliest version of the KX-F, it was atrocious, hence why it wasn't released, and release wasn't planned until the data and behavior matched the real thing. The beta that went public was miles beyond the first try I got at it, and I still feel it was really headed the right way in the long run. The community here seems just as brutal in feedback to Piboso (early beta's, holy crap, these guys turned into starved animals!) as they are to the modders that are developing bikes (not enough real data, time to get chastised by the community!). I always had an elevated idea of how good motorcycle communities are, but it seems the sim community is one rough place to put yourself on the line for judgement.






On the topic of Beta6c, every bike released up until now (gotta change some numbers around to get the rider to fit the bike and no core crashes upon loading the track from the pits) even the less polished bikes feel light years ahead of what they did back in beta5 where so many of them struggled with front end issues, further enforcing my belief that the further Piboso goes in developing the actual simulator the better the mod bikes get. Solely blaming a modder for their bike feeling bad seems rude, I don't like a bike and think to myself I'll await further development from Piboso and then go back and try them again. The WSS600 bike set was a perfect case for that feeling for me, the usual bikes that came from that area of the community usually didn't feel good to me, but with beta6, they actually have a good feeling on track... and I am pretty sure the numbers didn't change much on the bikes themselves, but in the underlying sim they have been implemented into.



Sorry for the novel just spewing opinion. Probably not the most constructive thing posted here.   

[rodney007]

"no offence" Rodney, but your feedback isn't very helpful for this community.

"you" are not the community. Walken,

There is nothing wrong in using "feelings" to tune the physics, because unfortunately there is a lot of data that cannot be got ( or that would be too difficult to get ) from the real world.
But at the very least the basic, known data should be accurately replicated: rake angle and geometry in general, mass, weight distribution, inertia, springs, aerodynamics, engine, gearbox, ...
Especially since bike and engine editors have been released.
If a modder just take the Murasama and turns it into a supermoto without even changing the springs, or with a rake angle that is half the real one, then this guy is not putting feeling over numbers: he's not even trying and he's just doing a VERY crappy work, that GP Bikes and ( most of ) its community don't deserve.

The bike had alot of work left in it. We did change springs and many other things through testing.... when something didn't work we took steps back and changed them. In this case the springs were left,

I am wanting to help nominate a group of people to help Piboso yet you guys keep bringing stuff back to me. I am not perfect and have never said I am therefore when people work collectively in a team
we can become more productive and really take this game to the next level!.

meh it aint gunna happen... I am glad I have voiced my opinion ... can't say I didn't try

I definatley don't take back the part of this game being a complete and utter MESS currently

I respect Piboso for his efforts and hard work - and have always said this throughout.

I wish the guys who PM me with support would have the balls to share there thoughts here more instead of me VS all

[Mac]

@rodney: if you want help and you know where problems are, maybe you can send PM to Piboso instead of opening another thread that throws shit on this sim.
When you released ktm i was very satisfied with the feeling of the bike but looking at the progress of betas i noticed that this approach simply doesn't work.
If bikes with the same settings behave better through beta evolutions it's the sim that gets better.

[BOBR6 84]

Rodney.. Why not start again? One thing for sure is your good at creating bikes! Why not try again but stay within the ''guidelines'' with the physics.. You might find what you want from beta6c!?
Wss600 and stk1000 clearly have benefited from beta6c so I dont see why not?

[grimm]

Rodney.. Why not start again? One thing for sure is your good at creating bikes! Why not try again but stay within the ''guidelines'' with the physics.. You might find what you want from beta6c!?
Wss600 and stk1000 clearly have benefited from beta6c so I dont see why not?

This 100%... I feel that if there was some tuning in how to get to the goal of a more realistic bike, and correct numbers were used, Rodney would be one of the top modders on GP Bikes. His models and physics feel great, and the more tuned the sim gets the better his bikes can get without fudged numbers to feel correct. Not sure what so many others are on about with talking bad about his bikes, but given enough time to adjust them I think he would get right on par with the best of the best the community deems fit for public release.

[Abigor]

Rodney.. Why not start again? One thing for sure is your good at creating bikes! Why not try again but stay within the ''guidelines'' with the physics.. You might find what you want from beta6c!?
Wss600 and stk1000 clearly have benefited from beta6c so I dont see why not?

This 100%... I feel that if there was some tuning in how to get to the goal of a more realistic bike, and correct numbers were used, Rodney would be one of the top modders on GP Bikes. His models and physics feel great, and the more tuned the sim gets the better his bikes can get without fudged numbers to feel correct. Not sure what so many others are on about with talking bad about his bikes, but given enough time to adjust them I think he would get right on par with the best of the best the community deems fit for public release.

yes +1

[FastFreddy]

I know at least 100 people that finds rodney mods really ridiculous.His mods are made at random on the basis of his feelings,c'mon,tat's not gpbikes:Maybe is "rodneybikes" Lol...
There are far more experienced and capable modders even without tools were able to achieve excellent bike with real data: C21, Jc21, Gpbikesitalia,Tchoum22 if i remember correctly.Let us not kid ourselves,all this attention towards this "character" just arrived is absurd.

[BOBR6 84]

I know at least 100 people that finds rodney mods really ridiculous.His mods are made at random on the basis of his feelings,c'mon,tat's not gpbikes:Maybe is "rodneybikes" Lol...
There are far more experienced and capable modders even without tools were able to achieve excellent bike with real data: C21, Jc21, Gpbikesitalia,Tchoum22 if i remember correctly.Let us not kid ourselves,all this attention towards this "character" just arrived is absurd.

No! The mods are great! The moddeling work was brilliant! Anybody who thinks otherwise is probably just a jealous troll!
Its the physics that caused concern!
End of the day its piboso's sim.. So if he expects you to stay within the lines, I personally dont see an issue.

The 990 needs work (no interest in using it) but the 600's etc prove to me that its all worthwhile! I dont see anything ''out there'' representing a bike better than what we have now with the 600's especially.

[FastFreddy]

No! The mods are great! The moddeling work was brilliant! Anybody who thinks otherwise is probably just a jealous troll!
Its the physics that caused concern!
End of the day its piboso's sim.. So if he expects you to stay within the lines, I personally dont see an issue.

The 990 needs work (no interest in using it) but the 600's etc prove to me that its all worthwhile! I dont see anything ''out there'' representing a bike better than what we have now with the 600's especially.

Not jelous trolls but competent people,sorry for you.
Regarding the 990:yes 600 and stk1000 are really good realistic bikes,but, I do not think piboso needs rodney or anyother modder!for fixing his 990.If he  created gpbikes,it's not a incompetent,I trust in him.

[BOBR6 84]

Well.. I agree, I think everybody is entitled to give feedback and opinions. A small team of selected people would just piss off everybody else.. Concidering all the different views and opinions!
For sure though personal mods its up to the modder/s to decide who gets involved.

There is things I like and dislike about GPB's but the core feeling I get is very good! Again especially with the yamaha R6 

[grimm]

I know at least 100 people that finds rodney mods really ridiculous.His mods are made at random on the basis of his feelings,c'mon,tat's not gpbikes:Maybe is "rodneybikes" Lol...
There are far more experienced and capable modders even without tools were able to achieve excellent bike with real data: C21, Jc21, Gpbikesitalia,Tchoum22 if i remember correctly.Let us not kid ourselves,all this attention towards this "character" just arrived is absurd.

You seem to be speaking on behalf of the entire community by stating your opinion like that. Seems you are one of the "core group" that really dislike Rodney due to beta releases of bikes... you are clear what beta means, right? In case you missed it, in short, it means unfinished. The WSS and STK bike sets both state as clearly as Rodney did about his bikes, they are still under development and there will likely be changes before they are called "finished". But somehow it's only Rodney that gets you upset? This is a case of personal opinion on your part, an allegiance to some group of modders as it seems that even Piboso and a great deal of this community doesn't share your same attitude about a modder having a go at addon bikes.

I dunno man, it seems everything and everyone before and after your replies is pretty constructive, and yet you just attack one person about how they find the end result of a proper handling bike. Just because my (or a modders) path from A to B is different doesn't make arriving at B from A any more or less useful. He is testing waters nobody else is trying and I applaud it, if you don't like it why worry about downloading it? And if a bike is released as a beta why not just exclude it from the bike mod unless it is finished properly and let the community decide if they want to use it or not? Telling him to get lost is pretty harsh on the grounds of how he finds a proper handling bike on a simulator platform that was and to an extent still is under development itself.




Sorry for a 2nd novel.