A try at modelling - WIP

[PeterV]

I still miss it Max, it was a real blast riding that thing. I miss that engine too be honest. (thats why i find the bikes after this one i had boring i guess.
I would like to have one again but they are too deer for me at the moment.

Sorry for the [OT] H.

[Hawk]

Just tested your bike for the first time H on Donington National..... First thing I noticed is the engine braking is way too strong and the engine sound doesn't seem to rev very high(sound-wise). Also I notice you have the bike set at a default rear ride height of -20, is that correct to real life? 

Apart from that the bike looks superb mate! Just needs a lot of bike physics work to get it right I feel, but with the bike still being in Alpha phase of development I guess that will all come in time. 

But yeah.... Superb job on the bike model mate.... Looks very, very good indeed! 

Hawk.

[h106frp]

Just tested your bike for the first time H on Donington National..... First thing I noticed is the engine braking is way too strong and the engine sound doesn't seem to rev very high(sound-wise). Also I notice you have the bike set at a default rear ride height of -20, is that correct to real life? 

Apart from that the bike looks superb mate! Just needs a lot of bike physics work to get it right I feel, but with the bike still being in Alpha phase of development I guess that will all come in time. 

But yeah.... Superb job on the bike model mate.... Looks very, very good indeed! 

Hawk.

All noted, thanks - sounds are a pain and i will just have too keep looking for some samples from somewhere. It will sound a bit odd as its the only twin we have so firing frequency is low - at 12000 rpm that's only 100Hz, so even with exhaust tones at 2.5 and 3.5*firing its only 350Hz - hardly a screamer. Sound need a lot of work though 

Raised a lot of questions in support r.e. rear suspension, but no answers so a -20mm start point was just to get the bike to sit correctly.

With no TC or ECU the braking will seem harsh if you downshift fast without letting the revs drop - Do you think any of the 3 variants of engine are OK? The road engine has the flattest torque curve and least engine braking, i did make the R engine a bit of a pig on purpose to try and make it more interesting for more experienced riders and maybe went too far. I will try playing with the slipper but i could not find any documentation for the settings.

For the next alpha i will concentrate on the geometry and physics as the graphics are good enough for now.

[Warlock]

Hi H , i adapted the sbk1098 sound i made some time ago, to your 916 Duc, give it a try, maybe you like it .
If not, ...no worries m8 

>DOWNLOAD<

Anyone can download and install if you like it, you won't get a Data mismatch error online, so you can try it without issues.

[PeterV]

Hi H , i adapted the sbk1098 sound i made some time ago, to your 916 Duc, give it a try, maybe you like it .
If not, ...no worries m8 

>DOWNLOAD<

Anyone can download and install if you like it, you won't get a Data mismatch error online, so you can try it without issues.

thx Warlock

[doubledragoncc]

OH thank you kind sir.

Look forward to trying it.

@H I held a test server last night with road bikes and noticed the clutch was not turning on the 916 in the live stream then saw it was not in GPB??? Look from time 1:37 in the video

https://www.youtube.com/v/Q03xKlc2GXE

Could it be the version of the bike?

DD

[h106frp]

That is weird, i will investigate

[doubledragoncc]

No wonder they all crashed, the clutch locked up lol

Now thats a real simulation lol

DD

[Napalm Nick]

Hi H this was my first try with your bike so I have a little feedback from my opinion.

I LOVE the explanation you describe about what you are trying to achieve with this bike. I wish all the mod makers would do this.
It handles the curbs at SPA unbelievably well - how did you do that? 
In the following points I do appreciate it is Alpha and you are working on these areas, but feedback is feedback right? 

1. Rides nice until it is pushed where it wobbles and bucks like a boss, suggesting the default setup is outside of the ball-park.
2. EB is a bit too high. At first I thought it was far too much but after hearing expert opinions of how this bike was IRL I started to enjoy it learning to ride it not so aggressively. The reason I still think it is a bit too high is that changing down the gears on a corner often causes a rear lock, fine if that was to 1st gear but sometimes it is 4th-3rd or 3rd-2nd even when at very slow speed. Also in replays you can see the rear lock often .
3. I really LOVE that you have reduced the engine noise to bring out the effects but I think it is too much (too quiet) at this setting. I also agree that the sound is now very distinctive compared across the views.
4. The first 1st person view at default settings doesn't show enough windshield/dash for my liking but it is close.

Would need a lot more testing to cover Engine Modes and stuff. Hopefully after Sundays Race here will be a lot more feedback too.

Cheers H!

[h106frp]

@DD The clutch animation is hard coded so this may be a bug or replay animation issue for PB to investigate

@Warlock - Thanks for the sound file, love the throttle closed and overrun - is it possible to reduce the stretching at the extremes of the rev range? Did you synthesize the sound? as it is nice and clear, i tried this approach but it sounded very dull with no character at all   but it did give plenty of samples.

@Nick, Thanks for the input, starting to think i have far too many issues with the non-graphical side of things    Maybe a fresh start with all of it is required). The suspension set up is a pain without a tool to see what happen in game and where the bike settles and the only suspension model i could get anywhere near the Ducati setup and work in BikeED was the classical. It will be nice to check a check of network play loading just to give some confidence moving forward with the MOD but i can see lots of issues with trying to race it with the current physics 

Thanks top all for giving it a try

edit: One issue does seem to be the very tall default gearing (over 200mph - maybe only for Spa    ), changing the sprocket ratio massively reduces the engine brake effect - i will ensure that the defaults are more sensible in future

[h106frp]

Might add a bit of variety to the paints available;


https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5ctW4QlgobdMFRKUXIzSnUwWkk/view?usp=sharing

Going to try and solve the engine braking and head shaking issues as i am not happy with it at the moment  and it seems very set up dependent - top of the list now i can see that on line is actually functioning which has been a concern.

[Warlock]

Even like it is now, is a very rideable bike H. don't be too hard on yourself, come and have fun in the race.
After you can go back to work with a fresh mind 

[h106frp]

Thanks, Seeing several on track it did look pretty smart and cheered me up  Softer default set up seems to be in the right direction

[Blackheart]

I was with default setup today, no big problems mate  Just the EB too strong 

[h106frp]

Decided that sounds are a personal thing and that with the large array of after market systems for this bike i might just include an alt sounds directory and encourage people to install what they like. I quite like the idea of individual bike modifications where we can 

Only downside is replays will be the server installed sounds but i guess thats not a big issue

Hearing all the bikes on the grid tonight sounded nice though whatever sounds were installed by the individual riders