750cc 2 stroke "X" Class bikeMODS???

[doubledragoncc]

The 750 rides great, I can ride it no electrics.........................JUST lol

DD

[Vini]

Let go what ?

Constantly reminding us that it is a fantasy bike we are building. We know how you feel about two strokes.

I'm trying to tell you how to achieve what you'd like to achieve, despite your messy explanations:

I think matty already knows what he needs to do since he doesn't purposely misunderstand comments.

[matty0l215]

This is purely for fun, if it bothers anyone that we are trying to make a PROJECT bike, then leave and let us have our fun. It's futile to think this bike would ever come to be a real thing but while we can, why not. People have asked for this bike, So i have obliged to make one. Electronics or not. Modern tyres or not, modern frames etc. The bike is a rendition of what we believe to be a bike capable of competing with our standard of a Moto GP bike. End of.

Lets keep this civil guys, it's a bloody game at the end of the day.

Matty

[HornetMaX]

Constantly reminding us that it is a fantasy bike we are building. We know how you feel about two strokes.

What I feel for 2s is irrelevant here. By a mile.

This is purely for fun, if it bothers anyone that we are trying to make a PROJECT bike, then leave and let us have our fun. It's futile to think this bike would ever come to be a real thing but while we can, why not. People have asked for this bike, So i have obliged to make one. Electronics or not. Modern tyres or not, modern frames etc. The bike is a rendition of what we believe to be a bike capable of competing with our standard of a Moto GP bike. End of.

It doesn't bother me at all. Proof is I've told you guys how to do it right: varese + better engine + 990 tyres (in varese's size). Job done (and no electronics, as they were asking).
I really don't see what I'm accused of here but fine for me.

[matty0l215]

It doesn't bother me at all. Proof is I've told you guys how to do it right: varese + better engine + 990 tyres (in varese's size). Job done (and no electronics, as they were asking).
I really don't see what I'm accused of here but fine for me.

Saying what we are doing is pointless. I'm fully aware its pointless (but I'm still doing it because i like to tinker). I don't need it to be pointed out, nor in such a way that makes everything I spent last night doing a waste of time.

[doubledragoncc]

I think its cool you tinker matty, love the results. You cant just take real life physics and say they will work in GPB anyways, GPB is NOT perfect and its just a sim FFS lol.

Tinker away bro, I am willing to risk life and limb test riding your creations.

Prof. DD von Frankenstein

PS: I think I got a good idea for the V750X paintwork HAHAHAHAHAHA

[HornetMaX]

It doesn't bother me at all. Proof is I've told you guys how to do it right: varese + better engine + 990 tyres (in varese's size). Job done (and no electronics, as they were asking).
I really don't see what I'm accused of here but fine for me.

Saying what we are doing is pointless. I'm fully aware its pointless (but I'm still doing it because i like to tinker). I don't need it to be pointed out, nor in such a way that makes everything I spent last night doing a waste of time.

I never said what you did is pointless: I said you could have done it in an easier manner (to answer the request that has been formulated by some).
The fact I eventually consider the bike as unrealistic is not a problem at all and surely not a reason to stop you (or whoever) tinkering.

[Hawk]

@DD: The whole idea behind this bike was to have a traditional but modern(that doesn't automatically mean electronics! Lol)2 stroke bike to compete with the modern MotoGP bikes. Traditionally the 2 strokes didn't have electronic aids, that's why I don't want them on this bike either.
What would've been a natural progression for the 2 strokes I'm all for, like modern mechanical parts like chassis, wheels, tyres, brakes and suspension as they are a true natural progression of material technology and still require a riders skilful inputs to use them to the "Max"(no pun intended. Hehe). But saying you want electronic aids on a 2 stroke!... WHY? I mean seriously WHY!?? 

Also ask yourselves just how much of this modern electronic aid fiasco would actually be viable and useful on a modern 2 stroke racing bike had they not moved over to the 4 stroke bikes? Can you honestly answer that question?

What are we trying to create here? A traditional but modern 2 stroke bike with true 2 stroke race bike character or a lame 2 stroke bike that any monkey could ride very fast on a bad day!? 
I personally want a true 2 stroke racing machine that is exciting to ride and takes practice and skill to ride well not a twist and go machine that attracts the current generation of console-boys! 

OMG! Has the modern sport of MotoGP really seduced it's fans into believing that electronic aids are a vital part of modern day racing motorcycles!? This is a sad day indeed!! Hehe! 

Hawk
PS: So much passion just for the idea of creating an "X" bike....... LOVE IT!!! 

[matty0l215]

I never said what you did is pointless: I said you could have done it in an easier manner (to answer the request that has been formulated by some).
The fact I eventually consider the bike as unrealistic is not a problem at all and surely not a reason to stop you (or whoever) tinkering.

Sorry, it must have come across wrong. The way you put it, it seemed aggressive

No worries

[matty0l215]

What are we trying to create here? A traditional but modern 2 stroke bike with true 2 stroke race bike character or a lame 2 stroke bike that any monkey could ride very fast on a bad day!? 
I personally want a true 2 stroke racing machine that is exciting to ride and takes practice and skill to ride well not a twist and go machine that attracts the current generation of console-boys! 

Ah there you go. A traditional but modern 2 stroke.

I believe no major manufacturer could/would release a bike like this without modern electronics

But if you want, when development continues (on hold due to no word from the Boss ) I will remove the electronics.

[Hawk]

What are we trying to create here? A traditional but modern 2 stroke bike with true 2 stroke race bike character or a lame 2 stroke bike that any monkey could ride very fast on a bad day!? 
I personally want a true 2 stroke racing machine that is exciting to ride and takes practice and skill to ride well not a twist and go machine that attracts the current generation of console-boys! 

Ah there you go. A traditional but modern 2 stroke.

I believe no major manufacturer could/would release a bike like this without modern electronics

But if you want, when development continues (on hold due to no word from the Boss ) I will remove the electronics.

Haha!... Matty, as I said above.... It sounds like you have been seduced into believing that electronic control is a vital part of modern day motorcycle racing bikes.... Wouldn't it be so much more exciting to watch if they banned electronics... Surely you can see that?  You'd also be able to appreciate the skill involved in controlling one of those bikes without electronics too, just like we did with the old school riders.... They were true hero's. 

Take no notice of me Matty, I'm just voicing my opinions on the subject.......  If you want to develop an "X" 2 stroke bike with electronics then do so, I can always develop one in tandum without electronics as an alternative. I've no doubt I'll be asking your advice and how-to's anyway! 

Hawk.

[HornetMaX]

No problem Matty.

I kind of second the idea of no electronics on the X bike, but probably not for the same reasons as Hawk.
Unless other things are tweaked, the X bike will be unrideable. But this is likely what Hawk is looking for so it's all good.
It's a nice experiment in fact.

[matty0l215]

Seen as I ride a bike that has no electronic aids (2006 Triumph 675) I can appreciate not having them.

But then I look at my old mans Ducati 1199s, with launch control, abs, traction, up and down quick shift, pit limiter, cruise control with nearly 200 bhp (he got a full ecu upgrade for stupid money and couldn't pass it up, fucking thing pumps out nearly 200bhp in race mode and thats with just a re-mapped ecu and a slip on system ) 

[matty0l215]

Unless other things are tweaked, the X bike will be unrideable. But this is likely what Hawk is looking for so it's all good.
It's a nice experiment in fact.

On the contrary, even with aids turned off the bike is very rideable (look at my video) and in the right hands it could be a real weapon.

Anti-wheelie is probably the biggest help, stops you flipping the bike to easily. The bike tends to spin the rear rather than wheelie most of the time... bloody thing eats tyres.

EDIT- also the bike suffers from the fairings touching the floor in long turns due to it being a wide bike

[doubledragoncc]

And thats my point.......................why all this conversation when the dang electronics can be turned OFF?

matty was just kind enough to do it for all IMO. I prefer it with them OFF.

Its an X bike and HE can make it as Xy as he wants nananananana.

DD