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Rider weight!

Started by Serge Dagher, October 09, 2017, 11:55:16 am

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Serge Dagher

I have not seen a parameter that let's me specify my rider's weight which would directly affect the suspension setup!

It would be great if each one could set their rider's weight and have a more realistic approach to bike suspension setup!

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Hawk

Nice idea, but I would also add that if you could change the riders weight then it will have a min-weight limit you can change to otherwise you'll get riders entering something silly like "1lb/1KG" and likely gaining a big power to weight ratio advantage?

tchemi

Would be great to add a feature to set our balls weight and size. The bigger it is, the more lean and late brake you can take ^^

J.K.

Serge Dagher

Quote from: Hawk on October 09, 2017, 05:51:15 pm
Nice idea, but I would also add that if you could change the riders weight then it will have a min-weight limit you can change to otherwise you'll get riders entering something silly like "1lb/1KG" and likely gaining a big power to weight ratio advantage?


Yes minimum weight with height parameter... but keep in mind short riders with a feather weight have a disadvantage in motogp or should i say on big liter bikes - one person would come to mind Dany Pedrosa, the guy's got talents and balls the size of Jupiter but his weight is a disadvantage.

So yeah if Piboso would like to keep it real that would be an awesome feature!

Quote from: tchemi on October 09, 2017, 06:04:35 pm
Would be great to add a feature to set our balls weight and size. The bigger it is, the more lean and late brake you can take ^^

J.K.


Lol

Hawk

Quote from: tchemi on October 09, 2017, 06:04:35 pm
Would be great to add a feature to set our balls weight and size. The bigger it is, the more lean and late brake you can take ^^

J.K.


ROFL! ;D

Warlock

Quote from: tchemi on October 09, 2017, 06:04:35 pm
Would be great to add a feature to set our balls weight and size. The bigger it is, the more lean and late brake you can take ^^

J.K.


Hhahaaha, no better way to say it  ;D

HornetMaX

Quote from: Serge Dagher on October 09, 2017, 06:35:49 pm
Yes minimum weight with height parameter... but keep in mind short riders with a feather weight have a disadvantage in motogp or should i say on big liter bikes - one person would come to mind Dany Pedrosa, the guy's got talents and balls the size of Jupiter but his weight is a disadvantage.

Really not sure about that disadvantage. Marquez is not exactly a giant.

poumpouny

Weight may be an avantange in rapid direction change (in a rapid chicane or a crocksrew), in the other side, height difference is more noticable especially in hard braking (a√©rodynamics). Anyway, Dani didn't have nor the weight neither the height  ;D

HornetMaX

I'm really not sure about that. Only place where I've heard weight/height may matter is at start (as you can move the cog more fwd). Even that is probably marginal.
On the other hand, if you are 10kg less that may well count overall.

poumpouny

I think it is true in hardbraking and a tall rider, how ingeneer insist on the aérodynamic wing, it's about a couple of centimeter width, now imagine Rossi at 320 km/h hardbraking and using his body to counter the air resistance. of couse in high speed he will brake more than a smaller rider, just cause of a coefficient air resistance/surface. Of course i don't know how much he can gain with that, surely tinny more but as you know in Moto GP they ary fighting for very tiny difference !

Stout Johnson

Quote from: HornetMaX on October 11, 2017, 07:06:27 am
I'm really not sure about that. Only place where I've heard weight/height may matter is at start (as you can move the cog more fwd). Even that is probably marginal.
On the other hand, if you are 10kg less that may well count overall.

Pedrosa this year repeatedly had problems with too low tire temperatures when track and environment temperatures where too low. He did not get the tires in a working temp window. That is why he has struggled in cold and wet races this year (e.g. Assen, Misano). I cannot remember him having problems in that respect with the Bridgestone tires, so maybe this is something related to the Michelins. But in cold conditions Dani seems to have a disadvantage with his weight. On the other hand in very hot races he seemed to have an advantage as he seemed to manage tires very well, which may be in part to his soft and fluid riding style compared to Marquez, but also to his weight.
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HornetMaX

Quote from: Stout Johnson on October 11, 2017, 08:04:14 am
Quote from: HornetMaX on October 11, 2017, 07:06:27 am
I'm really not sure about that. Only place where I've heard weight/height may matter is at start (as you can move the cog more fwd). Even that is probably marginal.
On the other hand, if you are 10kg less that may well count overall.

Pedrosa this year repeatedly had problems with too low tire temperatures when track and environment temperatures where too low. He did not get the tires in a working temp window. That is why he has struggled in cold and wet races this year (e.g. Assen, Misano). I cannot remember him having problems in that respect with the Bridgestone tires, so maybe this is something related to the Michelins. But in cold conditions Dani seems to have a disadvantage with his weight. On the other hand in very hot races he seemed to have an advantage as he seemed to manage tires very well, which may be in part to his soft and fluid riding style compared to Marquez, but also to his weight.

I'd say riding style more than weight.

A bit old, but spot on the discussion: https://motomatters.com/analysis/2011/04/13/number_crunching_how_much_of_a_factor_is.html

Serge Dagher

I've seen dani in person he's really short, i am 5'5" and i felt like a giant next to him... Marquez is taller and has more build to him, and Rossi is slightly taller than Marquez.

the problem lately with Dani is that he's not heavy enough to put weight on the rear tyre to get it to generate heat, and for Michelin this is very crucial, since the carcass they made is super weight and temperature sensitive...

however, Dani's size and weight are no measure to the size of his balls and talent... if he were in Moto2 he'd be kicking ass all the time.

now you guys mentioned Petrucci being big... have you seen Loris Baz... i think he could've easily been a basketball player!