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Rules Dorna should've implemented years ago......

Started by Hawk, February 14, 2019, 05:10:21 am

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Hawk

Personally I think Dorna should've implemented these rules back in the year 2000 to avoid the mess and astronomical expense that MotoGP is experiencing today and to keep motorcycle racing within a reasonable budget as well as most importantly making sure that it was the riders latent skills that controlled the bike at all times:

Machines used cannot:

  • Be constructed in any part from Titanium or Carbon-Fibres

  • Use uncoated ceramic parts

  • Use telemetry during a race except for timing purposes

  • Use any electronic components to control the engine, brakes, suspension or wheel rotations

  • Use supercharger or a turbocharger of any kind.



Just a little controversial.... What are your thoughts on this guys? ;) :)

poumpouny

Don't forget that the main reason constructor is into Moto GP is 1st for advertising and 2nd for testing technologies which will be applied to normal stock bike that will be sold to we, normal people so i don't think there is a point for they doing moto gp with your restriction. I think we just need to add more "Normal" but popular motorbike race, and why not vintage "non assisted" bike race where we will see the good old GP 500 for exemple .....

Napalm Nick

I consider MotoGP to be the bike equivalent of F1.
The aim being to encompass the latest technology and push forward with new technology. It's the experimental testbed of the biking world only restricted by some rules that keep things ' reasonable '.

As much as I want racing to be better in Motogp and F1 it will always be ruled by budgets and technological abilities which actually makes it interesting in its own right (if the viewer is engineer minded).

When I want to watch good racing on similar machinery I head for WSBK/BSB every time though. Saying that, the recent MotoGP racing has been good - a tribute to the rules balancing development/cost and viewing pleasure (close racing). Compared with the rules of F1 which made the gaps so huge the racing died in recent history.

But the rule makers have a difficult job effectively guessing what should be done and amending them endlessly as technological advances to find ways to exploit them.

I hear what you are saying with cost and rider aids. To us the cost seems high but nowadays in their world it's normal operating expense especially for R&D oriented projects. Rider aids may be an allowed rule because it's technology that can find its way to the road, especially if it makes biking safer (ah the ever quest to do things safer as common sense ebbs away).

For one of your points, Hawky, I might agree especially with the benefit of hindsight - in-race telemetry. Hmmm texts  ::) maybe just put a smartphone on the dash, Oh wait...

IMO all racing suffers when money becomes a major factor.  Which is why racing like the IOM and it's entourage of smaller Street races are the last gladiatorial bastion of rider skill versus machine and environment. The last attempt at commercialising the IOM was thrown out thank the heavens but it's just around the corner. Those back pockets are twitching.

Consider ourselves lucky to have been witness to the legendary eras of motorcycling and pity our sons and daughters.  :D
"I can't give you a sure-fire formula for success, but I can give you a formula for failure: try to please everybody all the time."

Hawk

I do actually agree with what both of you have said there above, and I do realise that what MotoGP is today is what it is.....

F1 Nick - I agree with what you said too, but at least F1 are yet again this year making a step backwards technologically in order to bring back a more entertaining event..... In a way, MotoGP should've already learned the lesson from F1 in letting them see what happens to the heart and soul of a sport and it's reputation when technology is given a more or less free rein to integrate new technologies and ideas to the level where the actual human competitors in the sport play a lesser and lesser role in the outcome of events and championships compared to their hey-day eras.
Personally I think F1 needs to continue stepping back each year till they are back to the era of the mid to late 60's "Jim Clark" era to bring back real racing skills and entertainment for the fans.... Many fans I hear are coming to the same conclusion too, but like MotoGP, it'll be a hard nut to crack with the elite establishments of motor sports no doubt resisting these attempts at every stage, even threatening(like Ferrari already have done) to leave the sport altogether..... Personally I'd call their bluff. Lol!  ;D

I have also heard on the grapevine that GP500 2 strokes might actually be coming back in their own category too, similar as to what poumpouny was saying, at some stage in the future. But I almost guarantee that they will put some kind of restrictions in it's creation so as to never have to fear that the category will revive itself into becoming again regarded as the pinnacle "Blue-Ribbon" event?
Will be great to see them back again..... Let's hope fans will vote with their feet and support the GP500's and buoycott the 4 stroke MotoGP category..... OH! How I would love to live to see that day!! "People-Power" LOL!! ;D ;D

I just wish that Dorna didn't feel they had to destroy the GP500 category in the first place in their determination to replace the established blue-ribbon category with 4 stroke machinery..... They declared war on the 2 stroke category the same way governments get the public to accept going to war against other countries - They first demonise what they wish to destroy so the public willingly accept the result of their actions.
What they should've done was to give the 4 strokes their own category from the start; in fact the 4 strokes did have their own category with the SB's; so we can only presume that to get the 4 strokes accepted as the actual blue-ribbon pinnacle category, they felt they had to destroy the 2 stroke era altogether? It's disgraceful when you think about all the political shenanigans that go on behind the scenes at the expense of the fans and the very heart and soul of a beautiful sport..... Just such a shame......

Totally agree Nick, indeed we should consider ourselves very lucky and privileged to have witnessed the "Legendary" eras of both motorcycling and F1..... That is those of us that are old enough to have witnessed them. LOL!  ;) ;D

Napalm Nick

If we were sat in a pub I could enjoy discussing this stuff at length hehe. Old codgers in the lounge bar getting wobbly. It's too much effort typing on a phone.

Commercialisation means decisions made by business men where results are not trophies but bonuses. If you can keep the money down you can keep the sport spirit as it will be run by enthusiasts of the actual sport.
Bernie Ecclestone - F1s saviour? I don't think so.

I agree with your sentiments but I feel young fans who never knew any different will accept it as it is, much like their grandkids will laugh at them when they hanker for the old petrol powered days and bikes that can't fly. ;D
"I can't give you a sure-fire formula for success, but I can give you a formula for failure: try to please everybody all the time."

Hawk

Quote from: Napalm Nick on February 14, 2019, 02:01:25 pm
If we were sat in a pub I could enjoy discussing this stuff at length hehe. Old codgers in the lounge bar getting wobbly. It's too much effort typing on a phone.

Commercialisation means decisions made by business men where results are not trophies but bonuses. If you can keep the money down you can keep the sport spirit as it will be run by enthusiasts of the actual sport.
Bernie Ecclestone - F1s saviour? I don't think so.

I agree with your sentiments but I feel young fans who never knew any different will accept it as it is, much like their grandkids will laugh at them when they hanker for the old petrol powered days and bikes that can't fly. ;D


Very true mate, couldn't agree more. Lol! ;) ;D

connorhall70

I think they're good rules. should be implemented. prob wont though.

I've always been against electronic aid and always will be. yes it is a skill to be able to use these aids efficiently, but still i think people would be more attracted to it if the aids were taken away. its entertainment at the end of the day, and watching people open a throttle 100% using tc to save them is not entertaining for me and many others.

its sad to see the popularity of bike racing decrease in pretty much every way, the crowds are getting smaller, at least in the UK they are. I really put this down to the technologies on the bikes. you'd think if they have such amazing technologies they'd be able to race in the rain...  ::)

putting superchargers or turbos on bikes is so stupid i really hope they never allow that.

MotoGP is following the footsteps of F1, yes technological advances are a good thing, but it gets to a point where its gone TOO far, and ends up with shit racing. motogp heading that way literally following f1s footsteps. shame they cant learn from others mistakes.
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