I'm having occassional framerate dips that I didn't have in the previous versions. The game can drop to ~40 fps for like 2 seconds and then go back to 60. This also happens during testing offline and it really messes up control when I'm cornerning.
The thing that really bugs me is the framerate dips in replay mode which isn't just occassional but frequent. This is especially a problem with the trackside camera and it's hard to get a constant 60 fps.
I have a gtx 670 and an AMD 8350 so my rig should easily handle this game. I used to be able to run it perfectly at 1440p but now there's even a problem at 1080p. Am I the only one?
no....you are not the only one :D
If you run tracks with "Dynamic Track Surface", this will drop frame rates; in my opinion the "Dynamic Track Surface" module seriously needs optimising.
Try running the _NDS(No Dynamic Track Surface) versions of tracks and you will notice a considerable increase in frame rates. ;)
Hawk.
Quote from: Hawk_UK on November 13, 2014, 04:21:26 PM
If you run tracks with "Dynamic Track Surface", this will drop frame rates; in my opinion the "Dynamic Track Surface" module seriously needs optimising.
Really ? Never noticed that in past betas.
With beta6 I've seen immediately some strange fps drops, even on victoria.
Has anything changed that could explain that ? We had DynSurf in all past betas and I never noticed any issue with fps ...
MaX.
Quote from: HornetMaX on November 13, 2014, 08:15:40 PM
Quote from: Hawk_UK on November 13, 2014, 04:21:26 PM
If you run tracks with "Dynamic Track Surface", this will drop frame rates; in my opinion the "Dynamic Track Surface" module seriously needs optimising.
Really ? Never noticed that in past betas.
With beta6 I've seen immediately some strange fps drops, even on victoria.
Has anything changed that could explain that ? We had DynSurf in all past betas and I never noticed any issue with fps ...
MaX.
Hi Max.
Ever since Peter first started testing tracks online
"without the dynamic surface" I noticed straight away the increase in frame rates and the rendering runs a lot smoother because of it too.
I'm running an AMD based system, so whether Intel users see such a difference I don't know? I know intel CPU's are more efficient in some areas of operation than AMD CPU's, but again, whether it would be a really noticeable difference I do not know? Maybe this is something that pin-points those differences?
Hawk.
Unlikely Intel vs AMD makes a difference here.
Online, DS may be heavier as the server has to communicate to all the clients the status of the track surface, but I don't really see this affecting the framerate.
Potentially, DS will have to display more stuff (textures ?) to "cover" the track with the rubber, but again, it sounds weird that his can be responsible of fps drops.
At any rate, Victoria of beta6 has a lot less fps than Victoria of beta5 (at least for me): as I think both are with DS, the problem (if there's a problem) may be elsewhere.
Would be nice to know if anything has changed between beta5 and 6 that could explain that.
MaX.
I get less fps on victoria now too! I thought its because there is more grass lol and cars in the backround, general visual improvements..
I turned 3d grass off and its fine now..
Using a gtx 460 on AMD..
I would like to get the FPS problem out once more.
From how much FPS talk here?
I had to realize with fright, these are my FPS 180-200.
what's going wrong?
I bought a new PC me 3 months ago.
might know who, where the problem lies.
Greeting fin
Windows 8.1
Intel (R) Core (TM) i7-4770CPU@3.40GHz 3:40 16.0 GB
ASUS GTX 760 DirectCU-DC2OC-2GD5 IIGeForse GTX760,2GB
Quote from: finpower on February 07, 2015, 09:48:15 AM
I would like to get the FPS problem out once more.
From how much FPS talk here?
I had to realize with fright, these are my FPS 180-200.
what's going wrong?
I bought a new PC me 3 months ago.
might know who, where the problem lies.
Greeting fin
Windows 8.1
Intel (R) Core (TM) i7-4770CPU@3.40GHz 3:40 16.0 GB
ASUS GTX 760 DirectCU-DC2OC-2GD5 IIGeForse GTX760,2GB
Wow! I would love your frame rates(mine are at 10 - 33 FPS depending on what track and how many riders on circuit) .... Even better I would love your system too! Lol ;D
Hawk.
Thank you for your answer Hawk.
I've got something wrong .I have believed that high Framrate is poor and lower better.
Now I am again become a little smarter.
greeting fin
(sorry for my Google English)
Quote from: Hawk_UK on February 07, 2015, 11:01:08 AM
Wow! I would love your frame rates(mine are at 10 - 33 FPS depending on what track and how many riders on circuit)
Ouch. How in hell do you manage to play at 10-30 FPS ?!?!?!
MaX.
Quote from: HornetMaX on February 07, 2015, 12:11:36 PM
Quote from: Hawk_UK on February 07, 2015, 11:01:08 AM
Wow! I would love your frame rates(mine are at 10 - 33 FPS depending on what track and how many riders on circuit)
Ouch. How in hell do you manage to play at 10-30 FPS ?!?!?!
MaX.
Lol! With great difficulty when there is a full race grid of riders on a few of the more detailed circuits like Jerez, Suzuka, and for some reason Misano; they are all a virtual non-starter for me as was demonstrated in the last STK1000 champ race at Jerez.... All I could do in the end was to coast around until the end of the race(I didn't want to bail-out as that can cause others to core.exe).
Most other circuits are fine... Maybe not as smooth a frame rate as I'd like, but are very rideable even with a full race grid, but I must admit it is harder to see your braking and peel off points when the frame rate is low as well as being difficult to race very close to others.
Can't wait to get an upgrade: I'm only looking to upgrade my motherboard, memory(hopefully 32GB) and CPU(hopefully an i7); I will probably also get an SSD too. Any suggestions as to the best but not too expensive hardware and the best place to buy it? Probably around £700 budget mark.
Hawk.
What graphics card you going for Hawk, its better to spend a few pennies more for good driver support so I stick with ASUS but EVGA and MSI are damn good too. The GTX series is releasing new cards all the time and the best thing is to watch pro youtube reviews like PCDIY, JayZTwoCents and here in London the very gorgeous TastyPCTV. Watch for clock speeds, cooling, power consumption and connection. GTX 7 series is a strong card but about to be dropped for the 9 series as 8's are mobile only systems. To keep with the software of tomorrow remember most are going for a basic 1080p with 60FPS so dont waste money on an average card as it wont hold up in 6 months lol.
Stay clear of cheap knock off cards that offer big memory but cock times and overheating are a big issue.
Have fun building buddy
DD
Quote from: Hawk_UK on February 07, 2015, 05:30:13 PM
Quote from: HornetMaX on February 07, 2015, 12:11:36 PM
Quote from: Hawk_UK on February 07, 2015, 11:01:08 AM
Wow! I would love your frame rates(mine are at 10 - 33 FPS depending on what track and how many riders on circuit)
Ouch. How in hell do you manage to play at 10-30 FPS ?!?!?!
MaX.
Lol! With great difficulty when there is a full race grid of riders on a few of the more detailed circuits like Jerez, Suzuka, and for some reason Misano; they are all a virtual non-starter for me as was demonstrated in the last STK1000 champ race at Jerez.... All I could do in the end was to coast around until the end of the race(I didn't want to bail-out as that can cause others to core.exe).
Most other circuits are fine... Maybe not as smooth a frame rate as I'd like, but are very rideable even with a full race grid, but I must admit it is harder to see your braking and peel off points when the frame rate is low as well as being difficult to race very close to others.
Can't wait to get an upgrade: I'm only looking to upgrade my motherboard, memory(hopefully 32GB) and CPU(hopefully an i7); I will probably also get an SSD too. Any suggestions as to the best but not too expensive hardware and the best place to buy it? Probably around £700 budget mark.
Hawk.
Used overclockers for my last build, no complaints :)
Overclockers seem about one of the best in the UK, shame we dont have Tiger Direct or Newegg here.
DD
I used overclockers on my last build quite a few years ago now......
I've already got a more than adequate graphics card for what I need in the ATI Radeon HD6950 2GB, it's just my other bits that are causing the bottleneck in speed.
Thanks for the advice DD and H. Appreciated guys! ;)
Hawk.
I've got an AMD FX6300 and HD7950 and i get around 90-100 FPS with everything maxed but 3d grass turned off
Memory capacity/speed might cause an issue but nothing major. I've got 8gb @1600mhz of ram and when running i never hit 4gb of usage (~3.7 max)
Aria PC and Amazon are quite good for parts as well (between the two i built my current PC for £800)
Quote from: Hawk_UK on February 07, 2015, 05:30:13 PM
Quote from: HornetMaX on February 07, 2015, 12:11:36 PM
Quote from: Hawk_UK on February 07, 2015, 11:01:08 AM
Wow! I would love your frame rates(mine are at 10 - 33 FPS depending on what track and how many riders on circuit)
Ouch. How in hell do you manage to play at 10-30 FPS ?!?!?!
MaX.
Lol! With great difficulty when there is a full race grid of riders on a few of the more detailed circuits like Jerez, Suzuka, and for some reason Misano; they are all a virtual non-starter for me as was demonstrated in the last STK1000 champ race at Jerez.... All I could do in the end was to coast around until the end of the race(I didn't want to bail-out as that can cause others to core.exe).
Most other circuits are fine... Maybe not as smooth a frame rate as I'd like, but are very rideable even with a full race grid, but I must admit it is harder to see your braking and peel off points when the frame rate is low as well as being difficult to race very close to others.
Can't wait to get an upgrade: I'm only looking to upgrade my motherboard, memory(hopefully 32GB) and CPU(hopefully an i7); I will probably also get an SSD too. Any suggestions as to the best but not too expensive hardware and the best place to buy it? Probably around £700 budget mark.
Hawk.
You can save quite a bit by going i5, unless you have apps that really can hook into the extra cores of the i7 you do not get a lot of extra performance for gaming (real world apps) at the moment. You might need to budget for a decent heat sink, the stock intel ones are better than they used to be but i found mine (i5) was a bit less than marginal under the loads that a modern game puts on it.
2400 MHz memory is cheaper, runs cooler that the 2666 stuff and from the benchies i found pretty much maxes out the current intel memory controller bandwidth anyway.
Spend the saving on a good quality motherboard with a newer chipset (z97 for skt1150) and PSU, always the best investment in the long run.
All I can say from experience is go with ASUS ROG Rebublic of Gamers for what you can especially the motherboard, the overclocking is fantastic and onboard sound thats hard to beat with an addon card and causes less conflicts. They just sold over 500,000,000 boards so they are known for the quality and when it comes to gaming AND working the boards are hard to beat. They are not that expensive either. The MB is the body and the CPU the brain, but they need to work hand in hand and you really cant beat ASUS from most aspects of computing. Its worth you watching some reviews to understand exactly why I recommend them.
Either way best of luck with the build, what OS are you going for. Try Win10, you will be pleasantly surprised. It has a lil way to go but is far superior in its memory management and working with hardware. GPB run faster on 10 than my 7 Ultimate Enterprise 64bit!!! Its free to try and upgrade when finished. Just make another partition and it will dual boot to what OS you want.
DD
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Both comparable but over budget :( (jesus i forgot how expensive Intel hardware is :o)
(Nvidia graphics cards also available :P)
Quote from: Hawk_UK on February 07, 2015, 05:30:13 PM
Can't wait to get an upgrade: I'm only looking to upgrade my motherboard, memory(hopefully 32GB) and CPU(hopefully an i7); I will probably also get an SSD too.
- AMD CPU: no go. Same price, worse performance, larger power consumption. Unless you really really like red, I see zero point.
- SSD is a must. Period. No discussion. Prices are just ridiculous for 128/256GB ones.
- i7 really really not needed. i5 is plenty. Unless you plan to overclock it, just take a non-K version (non-overclockable, but of course cheaper).
- An aftermarket CPU cooler is not a bad idea, it will make your PC quieter.
- 16GB ram is plenty. Actually, you can even go along with 8GB. And don't fall for the high freq / tight timings ones ... you'll never see the difference (except in your wallet).
- GPU: tight call between AMD and NVidia. Exactly which model depends on your budget and usage. If you only need it for GPB, you don't need to go top-tier.
- PSU: buy solid stuff, yuo'll never regret it. 550-650W is OK most of the times. Seasonic, Corsair would be my call, but you have other good models, just have to be careful (read reviews).
- Screen: I have a 120Hz LCD and you'd have to meance of killing both my kids in order to force me to go back to 60Hz. It makes a hell of a difference and you'll keep it for years. G-sync and Free-Sync may change that soon but G-Sync is Nvidia proprietary (laughable) and has a steep overprice, while Free-sync is open standard but not here yet (first panel should appear in 1-2 months).
I'd wait for Win10 to be out: Win 8/8.1 is such a piece of crap to me I definitely don't want it.
All these guides are approved (and updated frequently):
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,3106.html (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,3106.html)
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107.html (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107.html)
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-recommendation-benchmark,3269.html (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-recommendation-benchmark,3269.html)
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-intel-amd-motherboard,3902.html (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-intel-amd-motherboard,3902.html)
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/top-best-computer-monitors,3917.html (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/top-best-computer-monitors,3917.html)
MaX.
No doubt Intel have it at the moment, AMD are relying on software designed to use its architecture and it just does not seem to be happening, in an instructions/clock race it intel every time. Shame i was a big fan of AMD budget processors at one time.
AMD graphics cards draw ridiculous amounts of power, double check total power draw before you commit to a PSU. Not the best for OpenGL support either :(
The stock intel cooler is indeed noisy under load, quiet when idling though ;)
Quote from: h106frp on February 07, 2015, 09:50:14 PM
No doubt Intel have it at the moment, AMD are relying on software designed to use its architecture and it just does not seem to be happening, in an instructions/clock race it intel every time. Shame i was a big fan of AMD budget processors at one time.
The fact they currently suck so much on CPUs is bad for all of us: Intel is slowing the innovation pace reently because they have zero competition (on Desktop I mean).
Anyway, for really really tight budget builds, some AMD CPUs are still OK. But you don't want to be in the really really tight budget category :)
Quote from: h106frp on February 07, 2015, 09:50:14 PM
AMD graphics cards draw ridiculous amounts of power, double check total power draw before you commit to a PSU. Not the best for OpenGL support either :(
Recent ones are not that bad wrt power.
Quote from: h106frp on February 07, 2015, 09:50:14 PM
The stock intel cooler is indeed noisy under load, quiet when idling though ;)
LOL !
MaX.
Quote from: HornetMaX on February 07, 2015, 09:21:18 PM
AMD CPU: no go. Same price, worse performance, larger power consumption. Unless you really really like red, I see zero point.[/li][/list]
Unless you really need the power, AMD is good, the extra power usage is negligible and for such a low budget that £50 can be better spent
Quote from: matty0l215 on February 07, 2015, 10:11:02 PM
Unless you really need the power, AMD is good, the extra power usage is negligible and for such a low budget that £50 can be better spent
Which AMD CPU you're referring to ?
MaX.
Thank you everyone here for your inputs and advice...... I'm definitely going for the intel CPU. It's just whether to go with an i5 or i7? Hmmm.. I'm not sure yet, I'll take a good look through Toms Hardware and do some comparisions and see which is best for the money and go with that; but I'm also looking for a lot of memory for handling big 3D files in Maya as my current 5GB is struggling, this is why I'm thinking of getting 32GB Ram; this will enable me to work on big files and have other apps working at same time like Photoshop and others so I can quickly switch between the apps when needed.
I've already got a good PSU(Corsair XL650W), had it for a good 6 years now and has never given me any problems..... I'm sticking with the same case I have. I will definitely go for "Windows 10" when it's finally released(might download the trial like DD just to test it out).
So basically I'm just looking to get on a £700(maybe more if needed) budget:
- Motherboard
- Memory
- CPU+cooler
- SSD
I'll use my current hard drive as a secondary data storage device to save loading up the SSD and keep the SSD for apps that will benefit from the extra speed.
I'll also keep my current graphics card and see how it holds up. If it struggles then I will replace it with a higher-end one. I fancy a Nvidia card but they are expensive compared to AMD Radeon cards; is there that much of a difference to warrant the extra expense of buying Nvidia?
Also I want as many cores in my CPU as possible as I also run Xplane 10 and it can use as many CPU cores as I can get(the more the better). :)
Thanks for all the advice and links guys. I appreciate it! ;)
Hawk.
Dont go the AMD CPU way or Radeon GPU. The future is Nvidea GTX if you follow software and hardware development you will know. I used to swear by AMD but have learnt over the years the reality in the difference. An i5 can push some very good Ghz and is less than the i7. You should also think about RAM speed, 1866 is nothing these days, look for 2400 and up, there are some good deals out there. I am sorry but real busy right now to look but if i find something I will let you know.
You can also get fairly low priced CPU water coolers which are far poor efficient. The larger the Case the cooler the system, a semi-passive cooling configuration can save money and keep your parts nice and cool.
Just remember that buying cheaper hardware will cost more in the long run, 4GB graphic cards with low clock speeds are one of the biggest cons, buy quality and save in the long run. If you dont get all at one time and concentrate on the heart of the system, you can get the rest after you have saved up again. In the long run you will have a system that will work better, last longer and in fact be cheaper over time.
I have been building computers for over 25 years (I'm definitely an old fart) and seen so many mistakes made with cheaper parts.
If you ever need to talk about stuff just give me a call, its easier to talk than try and type things most times. You can get me on 07766986981 any time. Its okay to post my number as its on my website and everywhere so here is no more worrying lol.
DD
Just saw your last post, yes Nvidia is working on some wicked tech and software houses program with Nvidia in mind even though they now own ATI lol.
DD
Quote from: HornetMaX on February 07, 2015, 10:38:19 PM
Quote from: matty0l215 on February 07, 2015, 10:11:02 PM
Unless you really need the power, AMD is good, the extra power usage is negligible and for such a low budget that £50 can be better spent
Which AMD CPU you're referring to ?
MaX.
FX8350... £50 less than Intel comparison (i5 4690k)
2400mhz ram is way overkill for gaming 1866 is more than adequate, esspecially taking price into account
If you've got £1000 to spend on a pc, go get an intel CPU and Nvida GPU but on a tighter budget AMD is still very strong and are very good for Price/Performance
Fast ram is only really needed for on board graphic solutions where memory bandwidth hits performance quite hard. The new AMD integrated boards have to use it to recover performance compared to a discreet solution.
If your doing a lot of rendering or really put 32GB ram to work you might see a gain though.
I do use a LOT of memory lol
DD
Quote from: h106frp on February 08, 2015, 12:18:32 AM
Fast ram is only really needed for on board graphic solutions where memory bandwidth hits performance quite hard. The new AMD integrated boards have to use it to recover performance compared to a discreet solution.
If your doing a lot of rendering or really put 32GB ram to work you might see a gain though.
I'm always screaming for more memory. Lol ;D
Hawk.
Quote from: matty0l215 on February 07, 2015, 11:56:01 PM
Quote from: HornetMaX on February 07, 2015, 10:38:19 PM
Quote from: matty0l215 on February 07, 2015, 10:11:02 PM
Unless you really need the power, AMD is good, the extra power usage is negligible and for such a low budget that £50 can be better spent
Which AMD CPU you're referring to ?
MaX.
FX8350... £50 less than Intel comparison (i5 4690k)
It would be a very bad call to get an 8350 vs a 4690K for 50 GBP less.
This review is 2yrs old and even at the time, there were little reasons to buy an 8350 (at least for games). Just read the conclusions if on a run: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6396/the-vishera-review-amd-fx8350-fx8320-fx6300-and-fx4300-tested (http://www.anandtech.com/show/6396/the-vishera-review-amd-fx8350-fx8320-fx6300-and-fx4300-tested)
Power-wise, under load: 8350 = 195W, i5-2500K = 113W and a 4690K is somewhere around 95W. It's a lot of difference !! It's the freakin' double for less performance.
Less power = smaller and quieter cooler.
The very best deal you could snatch today is buying an old z68 with an i5 2500K: performance-wise is not far from the current i5s and the 2500K overclocks like a beast (I have mine on 4.4GHz from day 0, on air cooling and with zero effort).
If one really wants to buy AMD, buy one of their GPUs.
MaX.
Quote from: HornetMaX on February 08, 2015, 10:58:38 AM
Quote from: matty0l215 on February 07, 2015, 11:56:01 PM
Quote from: HornetMaX on February 07, 2015, 10:38:19 PM
Quote from: matty0l215 on February 07, 2015, 10:11:02 PM
Unless you really need the power, AMD is good, the extra power usage is negligible and for such a low budget that £50 can be better spent
Which AMD CPU you're referring to ?
MaX.
FX8350... £50 less than Intel comparison (i5 4690k)
It would be a very bad call to get an 8350 vs a 4690K for 50 GBP less.
This review is 2yrs old and even at the time, there were little reasons to buy an 8350 (at least for games). Just read the conclusions if on a run: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6396/the-vishera-review-amd-fx8350-fx8320-fx6300-and-fx4300-tested (http://www.anandtech.com/show/6396/the-vishera-review-amd-fx8350-fx8320-fx6300-and-fx4300-tested)
Power-wise, under load: 8350 = 195W, i5-2500K = 113W and a 4690K is somewhere around 95W. It's a lot of difference !! It's the freakin' double for less performance.
Less power = smaller and quieter cooler.
The very best deal you could snatch today is buying an old z68 with an i5 2500K: performance-wise is not far from the current i5s and the 2500K overclocks like a beast (I have mine on 4.4GHz from day 0, on air cooling and with zero effort).
If one really wants to buy AMD, buy one of their GPUs.
MaX.
+1
Sounds like great advice to me, Max. ;)
Hawk.
If you can get an Intel CPU in budget, get one (if i could have afforded one i would have got one :P)
https://www.youtube.com/v/eu8Sekdb-IE Just saying ;) ;) (yes I am aware its against older hardware and using a Closed loop cooler)
And if you're really desperate http://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/), Go ask these guys and they'll sort you out with a build
but otherwise :-X ;D
Quote from: matty0l215 on February 08, 2015, 11:27:05 AM
If you can get an Intel CPU in budget, get one (if i could have afforded one i would have got one :P)
But the price gap is tiny: the 8350 (black ed, which, if possible, will heat your room even more than the base 8350, under load) is at 125 GBP, the 4460 is at 150GBP (both on amazon uk).
We're discussing a 25GBP gap in a 700+ GBP build ...
MaX.
am3+ is an old socket.
Quote from: JJS209 on February 08, 2015, 04:06:49 PM
am3+ is an old socket.
btw: 1000€ are a lot of money, you dont need a 290X with 4gb for gpb. its good for bf4 or fc4 in ultra. or do you play 4k? :)
(http://www.jan-jonas.de/gpb/pc2.jpg)
just to give an idea....
€: i have the same "tower". its standing in my livingroom, so it can not look like shit and you can put a "big" graficcard in, what is not normal for those tiny cubes. thats why i use that one.
i have to say that i was always a budget pc user and i am already, which means i would like to have a big phat intelsystem with an i7 and a gtx 980 or something like that, BUT thats not worth for me to spend so much money for a pc. so my alternative is the cheap amd-version with full watercooled system which alwos me to overclock my components to the max.
:-X :P
Quote from: JJS209 on February 08, 2015, 04:09:28 PM
btw: 1000€ are a lot of money, you dont need a 290X with 4gb for gpb. its good for bf4 or fc4 in ultra. or do you play 4k? :)
just to give an idea....
You're going way to cheap on the CPU IMO. For GPB it may not hurt too much, but other games will suffer (and hawk also does some heavy 3d stuff).
Quote from: JJS209 on February 08, 2015, 04:09:28 PM
€: i have the same "tower". its standing in my livingroom, so it can not look like shit and you can put a "big" graficcard in, what is not normal for those tiny cubes. thats why i use that one.
i have to say that i was always a budget pc user and i am already, which means i would like to have a big phat intelsystem with an i7 and a gtx 980 or something like that, BUT thats not worth for me to spend so much money for a pc. so my alternative is the cheap amd-version with full watercooled system which alwos me to overclock my components to the max.
Watercooling and cheap in the same sentence ==> error :D
Watercooling is to make your build look good on your facebook page, unless you're an extreme hardcore overclocker (which likely means you're ready to spend a tad more than 1000E on a PC).
The money you spend for an AMD cpu + a watercooling (even if AIO simple and cheap) is probably more than the one you'd have to spend for a better intel and an aftermarket air cooler (the pair having both better performances and lower noise). Just buy the intel + air cooler: same performances (at least) as the overclocked AMD + watercooling, but with less hassle, less noise and less chances to have your motherboard soaked :)
MaX.
After a lot of research in the back end of last year i decided that this was probably the best balance for price/performance and longevity;
Intel Core i5-4590 3.30GHz (Haswell) Socket LGA1150 Processor
Have to say its more powerful than anything i have found to throw at it so far :)
Quote from: h106frp on February 08, 2015, 06:59:17 PM
After a lot of research in the back end of last year i decided that this was probably the best balance for price/performance and longevity;
Intel Core i5-4590 3.30GHz (Haswell) Socket LGA1150 Processor
Have to say its more powerful than anything i have found to throw at it so far :)
agree with that.
Quote from: HornetMaX on February 08, 2015, 06:42:36 PM
Watercooling and cheap in the same sentence ==> error :D
Watercooling is to make your build look good on your facebook page, unless you're an extreme hardcore overclocker (which likely means you're ready to spend a tad more than 1000E on a PC).
MaX.
max i dont have fb :) and i am doing this for over 10 years.
if you have invested once in a good watercooling setup, you just have to change the gpu-coolers when you got a new graficcard. and you can overclock them very high without loosing lifetime of the components (cpu, gpu). that also saves money, if you are clever enough to choose the right models.
when the money is no problem id also would pick the intels, but there are also some other points of view for myself that i have taken that apu.
LOL Max, my laptop cost just under £3000 and last winter spent $7500 on hardware for one system!!! I am like a kid in a candy store on Newegg when they got specials on.
Yes I need watercooling, but not as bad as the one guy who actually linked his SWIMMING POOL into his computers water cooling. THATS cooling lol
I tend to build for the future as things are gonna get hot with 4K coming into everyday graphics. You have to remember that in many ways it is the software you use that demands your hardware specs. I also normally have 10 to 15 programs on the go at one time so I kind hammer my systems lol.
DD
Quote from: JJS209 on February 08, 2015, 08:07:34 PM
if you have invested once in a good watercooling setup, you just have to change the gpu-coolers when you got a new graficcard. and you can overclock them very high without loosing lifetime of the components (cpu, gpu). that also saves money, if you are clever enough to choose the right models.
I'm still not convinced. Even with the money, I'd never go watercooling. It's noisy and disaster-prone.
It only makes sense if the currently best available GPU/CPU is not enough for you and you need to overclock it like mad (which is rare).
But that's definitely not your case, as you're on a short budget. Just a (decent) water block is already pretty expensive ...
MaX.
Quote from: HornetMaX on February 08, 2015, 09:29:39 PM
I'm still not convinced. Even with the money, I'd never go watercooling. It's noisy and disaster-prone.
MaX.
noisy? distaster prone?
lol, yea, like u say...
Quote from: JJS209 on February 08, 2015, 09:52:51 PM
noisy? distaster prone?
lol, yea, like u say...
Just dislike the idea of a pump and some tubing in my case :)
Good ones may not be noisy (mostly I was referring to thew AIO kits around), but then .. the price ... hmm ...
MaX.
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