Framerate problems

[h106frp]

Fast ram is only really needed for on board graphic solutions where memory bandwidth hits performance quite hard. The new AMD integrated boards have to use it to recover performance compared to a discreet solution.

If your doing a lot of rendering or really put 32GB ram to work you might see a gain though.

[doubledragoncc]

I do use a LOT of memory lol

DD

[Hawk]

Fast ram is only really needed for on board graphic solutions where memory bandwidth hits performance quite hard. The new AMD integrated boards have to use it to recover performance compared to a discreet solution.

If your doing a lot of rendering or really put 32GB ram to work you might see a gain though.

I'm always screaming for more memory. Lol 

Hawk.

[HornetMaX]

Unless you really need the power, AMD is good, the extra power usage is negligible and for such a low budget that £50 can be better spent

Which AMD CPU you're referring to ?

MaX.

FX8350... £50 less than Intel comparison (i5 4690k)

It would be a very bad call to get an 8350 vs a 4690K for 50 GBP less.

This review is 2yrs old and even at the time, there were little reasons to buy an 8350 (at least for games). Just read the conclusions if on a run: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6396/the-vishera-review-amd-fx8350-fx8320-fx6300-and-fx4300-tested

Power-wise, under load: 8350 = 195W, i5-2500K = 113W and a 4690K is somewhere around 95W. It's a lot of difference !! It's the freakin' double for less performance.

Less power = smaller and quieter cooler.

The very best deal you could snatch today is buying an old z68 with an i5 2500K: performance-wise is not far from the current i5s and the 2500K overclocks like a beast (I have mine on 4.4GHz from day 0, on air cooling and with zero effort).

If one really wants to buy AMD, buy one of their GPUs.

MaX.

[Hawk]

Unless you really need the power, AMD is good, the extra power usage is negligible and for such a low budget that £50 can be better spent

Which AMD CPU you're referring to ?

MaX.

FX8350... £50 less than Intel comparison (i5 4690k)

It would be a very bad call to get an 8350 vs a 4690K for 50 GBP less.

This review is 2yrs old and even at the time, there were little reasons to buy an 8350 (at least for games). Just read the conclusions if on a run: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6396/the-vishera-review-amd-fx8350-fx8320-fx6300-and-fx4300-tested

Power-wise, under load: 8350 = 195W, i5-2500K = 113W and a 4690K is somewhere around 95W. It's a lot of difference !! It's the freakin' double for less performance.

Less power = smaller and quieter cooler.

The very best deal you could snatch today is buying an old z68 with an i5 2500K: performance-wise is not far from the current i5s and the 2500K overclocks like a beast (I have mine on 4.4GHz from day 0, on air cooling and with zero effort).

If one really wants to buy AMD, buy one of their GPUs.

MaX.

+1

Sounds like great advice to me, Max. 

Hawk.

[matty0l215]

If you can get an Intel CPU in budget, get one (if i could have afforded one i would have got one )

https://www.youtube.com/v/eu8Sekdb-IE Just saying  (yes I am aware its against older hardware and using a Closed loop cooler)

And if you're really desperate http://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/, Go ask these guys and they'll sort you out with a build

but otherwise  

[HornetMaX]

If you can get an Intel CPU in budget, get one (if i could have afforded one i would have got one )

But the price gap is tiny: the 8350 (black ed, which, if possible, will heat your room even more than the base 8350, under load) is at 125 GBP, the 4460 is at 150GBP (both on amazon uk).
We're discussing a 25GBP gap in a 700+ GBP build ...

MaX.

[JJS209]

am3+ is an old socket.

[JJS209]

am3+ is an old socket.

btw: 1000€ are a lot of money, you dont need a 290X with 4gb for gpb. its good for bf4 or fc4 in ultra. or do you play 4k?



just to give an idea....

€: i have the same "tower". its standing in my livingroom, so it can not look like shit and you can put a "big" graficcard in, what is not normal for those tiny cubes. thats why i use that one.
i have to say that i was always a budget pc user and i am already, which means i would like to have a big phat intelsystem with an i7 and a gtx 980 or something like that, BUT thats not worth for me to spend so much money for a pc. so my alternative is the cheap amd-version with full watercooled system which alwos me to overclock my components to the max.

[matty0l215]

  

[HornetMaX]

btw: 1000€ are a lot of money, you dont need a 290X with 4gb for gpb. its good for bf4 or fc4 in ultra. or do you play 4k?
just to give an idea....

You're going way to cheap on the CPU IMO. For GPB it may not hurt too much, but other games will suffer (and hawk also does some heavy 3d stuff).

€: i have the same "tower". its standing in my livingroom, so it can not look like shit and you can put a "big" graficcard in, what is not normal for those tiny cubes. thats why i use that one.
i have to say that i was always a budget pc user and i am already, which means i would like to have a big phat intelsystem with an i7 and a gtx 980 or something like that, BUT thats not worth for me to spend so much money for a pc. so my alternative is the cheap amd-version with full watercooled system which alwos me to overclock my components to the max.

Watercooling and cheap in the same sentence ==> error 

Watercooling is to make your build look good on your facebook page, unless you're an extreme hardcore overclocker (which likely means you're ready to spend a tad more than 1000E on a PC).

The money you spend for an AMD cpu + a watercooling (even if AIO simple and cheap) is probably more than the one you'd have to spend for a better intel and an aftermarket air cooler (the pair having both better performances and lower noise). Just buy the intel + air cooler: same performances (at least) as the overclocked AMD + watercooling, but with less hassle, less noise and less chances to have your motherboard soaked

MaX.

[h106frp]

After a lot of research in the back end of last year i decided that this was probably the best balance for price/performance and longevity;
Intel Core i5-4590 3.30GHz (Haswell) Socket LGA1150 Processor

Have to say its more powerful than anything i have found to throw at it so far

[JJS209]

After a lot of research in the back end of last year i decided that this was probably the best balance for price/performance and longevity;
Intel Core i5-4590 3.30GHz (Haswell) Socket LGA1150 Processor

Have to say its more powerful than anything i have found to throw at it so far

agree with that.

Watercooling and cheap in the same sentence ==> error 

Watercooling is to make your build look good on your facebook page, unless you're an extreme hardcore overclocker (which likely means you're ready to spend a tad more than 1000E on a PC).

MaX.

max i dont have fb and i am doing this for over 10 years.
if you have invested once in a good watercooling setup, you just have to change the gpu-coolers when you got a new graficcard. and you can overclock them very high without loosing lifetime of the components (cpu, gpu). that also saves money, if you are clever enough to choose the right models.


when the money is no problem id also would pick the intels, but there are also some other points of view for myself that i have taken that apu.

[doubledragoncc]

LOL Max, my laptop cost just under £3000 and last winter spent $7500 on hardware for one system!!! I am like a kid in a candy store on Newegg when they got specials on.

Yes I need watercooling, but not as bad as the one guy who actually linked his SWIMMING POOL into his computers water cooling. THATS cooling lol

I tend to build for the future as things are gonna get hot with 4K coming into everyday graphics. You have to remember that in many ways it is the software you use that demands your hardware specs. I also normally have 10 to 15 programs on the go at one time so I kind hammer my systems lol.

DD

[HornetMaX]

if you have invested once in a good watercooling setup, you just have to change the gpu-coolers when you got a new graficcard. and you can overclock them very high without loosing lifetime of the components (cpu, gpu). that also saves money, if you are clever enough to choose the right models.

I'm still not convinced. Even with the money, I'd never go watercooling. It's noisy and disaster-prone.

It only makes sense if the currently best available GPU/CPU is not enough for you and you need to overclock it like mad (which is rare).
But that's definitely not your case, as you're on a short budget. Just a (decent) water block is already pretty expensive ...

MaX.