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Is it possible for the owners club to organize an 'orange jersey' GPB novice training event occasionally?

Some recent discussions have made me come to the conclusion that people would maybe build their confidence learning GPB better and quicker if they could witness and follow other bikes and riders successfully completing areas of track that they are convinced are near impossible early in their involvement with GPB.

What i mean by an 'orange vest' is an event where nobody will be upset if they get speared off the track or someone topples over on the entry to the corner as they are doing their best ever flying lap or whilst practicing setups for a race event. It will be carnage on track but this can seem a frustrating sim when you start out and something to boost confidence is needed to encourage new owners to 'stay the course'.

I think some may be put off joining a general session because they do not want to cause problems for others on track whilst still in the constantly toppling over stage of learning.

Maybe run a poll and once you get a few 'learners' and a couple of more experienced guys who can act as 'pacing' riders just run a short session.

We can do anything here H.  8)

Really GPBOC racing events are run under the understanding that it is for everyone of every level and seniors should be patient with the juniors.

In reality we see a lot Rage Quitting still, some of which is likely caused by juniors ruining someones race but that isn't really the ethos of a club atmosphere  :( But then again races are conducted seriously as we think they should be.

More than happy to lay on a dedi server for 'Orange Vest training sessions' if there is a need.

Fortunately, at Mallory we have been given one of these for the training events:
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I will be booking a ride with Yan24 this week to find out how it should be done!

Will open a poll to gauge interest. Let me know if you want any more options

Why all this effort? The way we (my former team) learned to ride is just to ride together and follow faster players online in practise sessions. Really no need for "orange vests" or special events.
Just find someone who is slightly faster then yourself and follow him, watch and learn.

I`ve always had the privilege of training with iVolution, and as we`ve always been on the same pace in almost every racing game it really helped us both to push eachother to the next level.

Once i have a new controller i`ll be getting back into GP bikes myself and i`m always more then happy to guide people around a track.

ps. anyone willing to crowdfund me a new controller?  ::)

I think this is a great idea, H!  ;D 8)

But I would also say to new and less experienced riders to not be afraid to just join events and servers anyway(it's the best way to learn fast), because we all understand that we've been there in that situation were we're beginners and unsteady on our bikes, and keep falling, etc, etc, until we start to get used to things and we all like to help new riders; and so long as people apologise to each other then that's all you can ask under the circumstances.  :)

But above all, don't join an event then rage quite just because you keep falling and getting lapped.... That I think does frustrate other riders because, if you join an event you are taking a slot on the grid that if you rage quite could've been taken by someone else. If you join an event you should finish the event.  :P

But the orange "Novice" Jersey and holding novice events is a great idea.... All for it!  ;D 8)

Hawk.
PS: Lol.... Great Pic Nick! ;D

What about a slightly more structured practice seesion?

Like an organised race but only practicing with a few of fast people to lead novices, if they're willing ::)

Maybe even some one to one stuff?

I will back just about anything suggested for 'the Club'. Numbers and voters will decide its appeal I guess.

Actually I think Rookie races are a great idea and a great way of learning skills and race-craft. Look at all the recent complaints in the championships about rookies.  So where do the rookies go to race now they aren't welcome in the Championships? They can come here!
Plus it gives incentive to race and get better if there is a 'prize' that is actually within reach.

Besides I might even get a podium at a Rookie race - especially after you have taught me stuff  ;) Thanks for the offer. :) I will donate to the controller just as soon as my times match Yans.

Quote from: JamoZ on June 26, 2015, 09:19:52 AM
Why all this effort? The way we (my former team) learned to ride is just to ride together and follow faster players online in practise sessions. Really no need for "orange vests" or special events.
Just find someone who is slightly faster then yourself and follow him, watch and learn.

I`ve always had the privilege of training with iVolution, and as we`ve always been on the same pace in almost every racing game it really helped us both to push eachother to the next level.

Once i have a new controller i`ll be getting back into GP bikes myself and i`m always more then happy to guide people around a track.

ps. anyone willing to crowdfund me a new controller?  ::)

I understand what your saying JamoZ, because that's exactly the way I learned too.... I remember yourself, Warlock, iVolution and other riders helping me a great deal when I first joined a server.  8)

Having said that I think that way is not for everyone..... Some do actually worry that they will spoil it for others and that they are not good enough to join an online server and rider with others, and I think something like this would help those riders to come and join online servers knowing that they are wearing colours that other riders can identify as a novice so to be patient and aware with them.

Above all.... This is a simulation and this is exactly what new Novice riders have to do in real life. No one is saying this should be compulsory at this time, so I personally think it would be great to see, as well as being a great help for new riders.  :P ;D

Hawk.

I would consdier myself intermediate when it comes to speed and race pace (and am guilty of rage quiting because i keep crashing :-[ ) but when i was still new to all this i would have loved to have had some organised track sessions.

I rember when stout used to do the nightshift races and he and peterv used to tell me where i was going wrong. Thats when i started to get some decent pace and was able to really start race as apposed to circulating round the track for 10 laps and come last.

Haveing an organised race/training/sessions for novices to get on track and practice would be great in my opinion!

And like nick, i might even be able to score a podium once in a while :P

Having watched a few recent race vids it is obvious that GPB has a huge variance in rider abilities, some super quick experienced guys, some slow and steady and some just starting out (BOBR getting speared was quite shocking and i had to watch it a few time to even work out where the other rider appeared from). Mixing everyone together can be frustrating for all and i just thought a chance to ride with company and no great expectations would help with learning GPB. Be nice to see a few other bikes on track - it can feel lonely out there  :'(

I have practiced continually and it has taken weeks to get to a point of doing several laps at a reasonable speed without falling and i will still miss braking points or just have a drama and throw myself into the scenery and would not like to cause someone else to rage.

I am not sure everyone has the patience to persevere past the initial frustration with the sim and i though an informal event might give newcomers a bit of encouragement and a chance to learn the correct track etiquette, decent lines and that it is actually a ride-able sim, if you have come from the motoGP, superbike or RIDE series of games where the bikes are easy to ride and its actually quite difficult to fall GPB must seem 'broken' at first. Even GP500 can be dumbed down to a point where its easy to get started, GPB really does not have a simple mode.

Maybe these would help  ;D
(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01970/abs-1_1970720c.jpg)

Agree with what you are all saying but I think numbers will let this down at the moment but we will see.

Whether it gets pushed in this form or not I think a few rookie races are looking good.

PS: H the controller modding has now crossed a line lol :P ;)

I would love to ride for a long time behind Yan or JJS to see their lines and how they ride, without them taking off in the sunset.

But if you are slower than Yan you won't be able to keep up. If he slows down it'll likely mean different lines and braking points.
I am still of the opinion that it's practice, practice and more practice that makes you better. Provided you have a decent controller that is setup correctly. Just getting the lines right, finding braking makers and trying to be an automaton hitting apexes perfectly every lap is the key. The rest will come with practice.
I think a 'newbie' race for newbies only would be better, it would give everyone more confidence to race with guys at their own pace

If you suck - Play more! Practice more! its the only way to improve.. Iv'e been playing for maybe 2 years now? i still crash and make mistakes and im still scratching my head at some of these guys laptimes  :o

Pick a track, piece the corners/sectors together step by step.. simple  ;D ;D Following somebody wont work if you cant complete 1 corner.

Online, players tend to wait for others in open sessions... just more fun with a few riders.

Get online!!  ;D 8)

Ohhh look more fuel for the Ghost bike addition discussion?

Just imagine having a Yan lap ghost bike to load and follow.

Trouble is no doubt - how much arcade is wanted in a sim?

I'm sitting on the fence with this one. ;D

The best practice is to not be afraid and just go with the faster guys, you learn a lot really fast! I was in the bottom when the moto3 championship started like half a year ago, now i am starting to catch up and have even had a few wins, they only way that have happened, was because i went racing and didn't give up, but just tried and spend some hours here!

I am willing to come help if i can do anything, no matter what it is, i will do what i can to help other people getting faster, so we can have some good close racing like we see in Moto3 :)

Very true Meyer and thanks for the offer of helping.

Back to my first post here this 'Club' is open to everyone to come race in all events. Seniors are asked to be patient, they already have championships to battle in. Only ar*eholes are unwelcome. ;)

Quote from: Napalm Nick on June 26, 2015, 01:42:07 PM
Very true Meyer and thanks for the offer of helping.

Back to my first post here this 'Club' is open to everyone to come race in all events. Seniors are asked to be patient, they already have championships to battle in. Only ar*eholes are unwelcome. ;)

Doors over ther Nick ;) ;) :P

Quote from: Napalm Nick on June 26, 2015, 12:46:46 PM
Ohhh look more fuel for the Ghost bike addition discussion?

Just imagine having a Yan lap ghost bike to load and follow.

Trouble is no doubt - how much arcade is wanted in a sim?

I'm sitting on the fence with this one. ;D

Possibly someone could create a netbot type bike that can feed of an existing recorded telemetry stream, then you could have an extra rider to practice against without effecting  the current sim structure.

Back on thread...
General view seems that a rookie cup would be the best form of rider nursery - one bike, one setup might keep the chaos to a minimum and level the field ? 

I know club races are 'open' but have you ever met a racer who is not very serious once he has his 'race face on'  ;) and i think it is probably difficult to remember just how wobbly early experiences with GPB are especially as newcomers are leaping in with the latest beta which even experienced old hands have criticized for being difficult.

Nice to see everyone offering support, proper club spirit  :)

Quote from: matty0l215 on June 26, 2015, 01:47:06 PM

Quote from: Napalm Nick on June 26, 2015, 01:42:07 PM
Very true Meyer and thanks for the offer of helping.

Back to my first post here this 'Club' is open to everyone to come race in all events. Seniors are asked to be patient, they already have championships to battle in. Only ar*eholes are unwelcome. ;)

Doors over there Nick ;) ;) :P

hahaha that's bloody charming mate ;)

H - Rookie Cup - its on if we get the interest. :)

Quote from: Napalm Nick on June 26, 2015, 02:02:54 PM

Quote from: matty0l215 on June 26, 2015, 01:47:06 PM

Quote from: Napalm Nick on June 26, 2015, 01:42:07 PM
Very true Meyer and thanks for the offer of helping.

Back to my first post here this 'Club' is open to everyone to come race in all events. Seniors are asked to be patient, they already have championships to battle in. Only ar*eholes are unwelcome. ;)

Doors over there Nick ;) ;) :P

hahaha that's bloody charming mate ;)

H - Rookie Cup - its on if we get the interest. :)

I will race the rookie cup when it is on ;) i consider myself a rookie :D

Quote from: Napalm Nick on June 26, 2015, 02:02:54 PM
hahaha that's bloody charming mate ;)

H - Rookie Cup - its on if we get the interest. :)

Only jokeing mate :D your far from an arsewhole :P

What about red bull rookies cup season 2?? Now on moto 3

+1 on another Rookies Cup Champs!  ;D ;D

I remember many moons ago now when Arvoss promoted the Rookie Champs.... It was brilliant! Great racing!  ;D 8)

Question is: Do we hold it with the 2 stroke 125's like before? Or go with the Moto 3 bikes? Personally I'd rather ride the 2 stroke 125's(if they are rideable since beta6?).

BTW.... Were is Arvoss these days? Anyone know?

Hawk.

Whatever is the easiest to keep upright and on track for a few laps would ensure the closest racing and the largest number of finishers :)

Quote from: Meyer#12 on June 26, 2015, 02:05:35 PM

I will race the rookie cup when it is on ;) i consider myself a rookie :D

What constitutes Rookie status is actually currently being considered at a club meeting! Feel free to add your thoughts. And no I don't think you are a Rookie lol.  ;)

Quote from: matty0l215 on June 26, 2015, 02:15:40 PM
Only jokeing mate :D your far from an arsewhole :P

What about red bull rookies cup season 2?? Now on moto 3

Thanks yeh maybe not a whole one yet!

Hmm Moto 3 is a good idea bit more stable than the default 125's (??) , although I would prefer to use them (the 125s) personally (like Hawker has just said), really.

Haha was a joke mate! No worries, i guess i have got to peace with not being a rookie anymore ;)

But what about a few master riders, who are in there to help up the pace, but not racing for positions, more as a guideline? :)

Would be great help for newcomers seeing different lines and ways of riding i think

Quote from: Meyer#12 on June 26, 2015, 03:19:40 PM
Haha was a joke mate! No worries, i guess i have got to peace with not being a rookie anymore ;)

But what about a few master riders, who are in there to help up the pace, but not racing for positions, more as a guideline? :)

Would be great help for newcomers seeing different lines and ways of riding i think

Yeah and if possible those fast guys giving feedback and tips.

Quote from: Boerenlater on June 26, 2015, 03:34:59 PM

Quote from: Meyer#12 on June 26, 2015, 03:19:40 PM
Haha was a joke mate! No worries, i guess i have got to peace with not being a rookie anymore ;)

But what about a few master riders, who are in there to help up the pace, but not racing for positions, more as a guideline? :)

Would be great help for newcomers seeing different lines and ways of riding i think

Yeah and if possible those fast guys giving feedback and tips.

Exactly what i was thinking, going in front showing lines and stuff and also going behind seeing the riding and giving tips from that :)

SuperTaranta actually did that with me last week at Aragon I followed him and then he followed me.

He said my lines and braking points were spot on. So maybe I didn't twist throttle enough to get 4 seconds slower lol  :D

Quote from: Napalm Nick on June 26, 2015, 04:03:24 PM
SuperTaranta actually did that with me last week at Aragon I followed him and then he followed me.

He said my lines and braking points were spot on. So maybe I didn't twist throttle enough to get 4 seconds slower lol  :D

Maybe he was just polite! No you are pretty spot on, you just need little setup and then to go faster trough and out of corners, i catch up on you a lot out of corners and on straight, breaking is not where i win the most against you :)

But many times people brake too late and lose time because they are too slow mid-corner and can't go on throttle early enough.

But i think that would be a way for more "experienced" riders to help newcomers :)

Thanks its nice for some feedback - -so the whole point of this thread is being proven here and now lol!

I just don't have the confidence in the front end to push through corners, I gave that up long ago after countless front end washouts. If I could cure that I know I could be up there. ;)

Quote from: Hawk UK on June 26, 2015, 02:30:44 PM
+1 on another Rookies Cup Champs!  ;D ;D

I remember many moons ago now when Arvoss promoted the Rookie Champs.... It was brilliant! Great racing!  ;D 8)

Question is: Do we hold it with the 2 stroke 125's like before? Or go with the Moto 3 bikes? Personally I'd rather ride the 2 stroke 125's(if they are rideable since beta6?).

BTW.... Were is Arvoss these days? Anyone know?

Hawk.

Im for riding the 125's but maybe wait for beta 7 to see if they are stable enough.

Nothing worse than crashing for near no fault of your own :P

Quote from: Napalm Nick on June 26, 2015, 04:17:47 PM
I just don't have the confidence in the front end to push through corners, I gave that up long ago after countless front end washouts. If I could cure that I know I could be up there. ;)

Yeh, i know one, don't use the Suzy :P

But seriously, it could just be a setup issue. Happy mediums, remember :)

I think that does not serve to follow the fastest. An example: Event RSA Vs Moto2 Yan had seemed an alien with a 2:41:14 qual time in Spa..

Well, after a week i ride in 2:39 just it needs a little time off, of course those who have more to turn, goes faster  ;)

In my opinion it would be more useful to have a guide very easy to setup,  and an archive with the best settings for each bike and circuit.

Quote from: Blackheart on June 26, 2015, 08:36:40 PM
I think that does not serve to follow the fastest. An example: Event RSA Vs Moto2 Yan had seemed an alien with a 2:41:14 qual time in Spa..

Well, after a week i ride in 2:39 just it needs a little time off, of course those who have more to turn, goes faster  ;)

In my opinion it would be more useful to have a guide very easy to setup,  and an archive with the best settings for each bike and circuit.

Maybe it doesnt always help, but you are already pretty danm fast when it hits you ;)  so for you it might be a bit different, for me when i was new, it was a huge help when people went riding with me, waiting for me and sharing setup etc. :)

This week GPBOC1 Server is set to Rookies OPEN Week at Mallory Park with the GP125.

Set a time. Rookies can get a pretty stable SETUP off me if you want it, just ask.  Blaming the bike will fall on deaf ears  ;)

Good luck, smooth and steady.

Club members don't panic this is not the next Main Event race  ;)

Quote from: Napalm Nick on June 29, 2015, 07:43:49 PM
This week GPBOC1 Server is set to Rookies OPEN Week at Mallory Park with the GP125.

Set a time. Rookies can get a pretty stable SETUP off me if you want it, just ask.  Blaming the bike will fall on deaf ears  ;)

Good luck, smooth and steady.

Club members don't panic this is not the next Main Event race  ;)

If Nick is not at his place in the club house when you are at the server and i am there, i can give you the same setup and a little talk, found my way around the track in good times at the end of today, after doing about 100 laps with Nick :D

A lot of fun and a lot of improvement, so bring your 2-smokers to Mallory and give them a run :D

Typical, in eastern Europe all week with work and no game pc. Would have loved to give this a go, maybe next time.

No worries H.

we just opened the server to test the bikes maybe for a Rookie Cup, and to find a setup all could use. Meyer did some great work there honing a setup like a pro.  We would do well to listen to his experiences.

Strangely it was so much fun we ended up doing 80+ laps each honing the last tenths out of the bikes. Others came to join too and add information.

Despite my initial feelings for the bike some of us now agree it is very good at Mallory.   For some, the bikes limit is lower than their own ability so gets a poor review. 

Anyone interested in a rookies cup (yet to be decided what constitutes a "rookie") please vote above to get it off the ground.

I'm sure Meyer will be at the track at least until he cracks the 46 second lap  ;D

A little question: the times in GPBOC 1 | Rookies Open Week | are registered on gp-bikes.motonline-france.com/bestlaps.php ?

When the server was opened it recorded best laps for about ten minutes then no-more times updated.

If anyone knows if there is a cure-able issue here please let us know.

It was cloudy at Mallory as well so you need the cloudy filter. If you are wondering I did a mid 47, Meyer did a 47.04 ish

I will reset it in an while see f that helps

Quote from: Napalm Nick on June 29, 2015, 07:43:49 PM
This week GPBOC1 Server is set to Rookies OPEN Week at Mallory Park with the GP125.

Set a time. Rookies can get a pretty stable SETUP off me if you want it, just ask.  Blaming the bike will fall on deaf ears  ;)

Good luck, smooth and steady.

Club members don't panic this is not the next Main Event race  ;)

Can you also whitelist the Honda NSF 250 RW?
I'm using that bike lately to practice.

 For now the Rookies Cup/Training intention is for the 125 so that's why we are creating a setup for everyone etc - if people decide its too hard then maybe the NSF is a good second choice. Or maybe a bike that can be moved up to.

i would suggest that it could be better to use the moto3 class for beginners and newcomers.

Server reset and times are updating - don't know for how long though

Quote from: JJS209 on June 30, 2015, 10:32:50 AM
i would suggest that it could be better to use the moto3 class for beginners and newcomers.

+10000

I think for now, the 125GP is actually better for newcomers, at least at Mallory, the stability in the Hairpin on this bike is insane compared to the M3, and if you learn to ride this bike into 48 times or so, you are where the bike starts to be hard to ride faster and the problems come. Doing 50 and 49 times on this bike, it will be more stabil than anything!

That is just my opinion :)

BTW had a run earlier with Kerazo, he did a 46,96 and i managed another 47,0 in about my 15lap test. It is all about the hairpin if you need to break into the 46 times :D

I do not touch the suspension I did 47 with Alby, but in our opinion is not the best for beginners, though we maybe we fall because we always try to push hard  ::)

If you can give me the set up,  I can see if it improves the tyres situation  :D

The fastest riders seem to be pushing the bike past its capabilities. Maybe not all the bikes fault?

For me the bike is still better than my capability, and look - no problems on track.  8)

I think rookies have a lot to learn using the 125 not just fastest laps.

The problem with the 125GP is, that when you push hard, front tyre get warm and slides, there is ways to prevent that on this track and my suspension is pretty much default.

It is all about the racing line here and after 1 crash, front reaches 100 degrees which is almost double of optimal.

Trough first bend, you have to stick to the inside of the black line (middle of track) because it seems there is a tiny bump there, which make the front slip.

I found my way round, where when i dont push to the max and go steady laps, i can 47,2-47,7 every lap for 10 laps and no crashes.

The reason we all crash, is we push to the limit of what is possible with this bike :P

Agree.

Another funny is that I can go faster on this than I did using the 500 Suzuki so maybe a 500s vs 125s race is due.......

maybe 47s is my maximum time on any bike, interesting lol.

Oh and it is a real good point - when the bikes crash (any bike in the game as far as I can see) the tyres are wrecked by high temperatures as far as I, and others have seen. Crash = Pit in, or ride slow for 2 laps.

Whats going on there then with the tyre physics???

Quote from: Meyer#12 on June 30, 2015, 12:31:31 PM
The problem with the 125GP is, that when you push hard, front tyre get warm and slides, there is ways to prevent that on this track and my suspension is pretty much default.

It is all about the racing line here and after 1 crash, front reaches 100 degrees which is almost double of optimal.

Trough first bend, you have to stick to the inside of the blac line (middle of track) because it seems there is a tiny bump there, which make the front slip.

I found my way round, where when i dont push to the max and go steady laps, i can 47,2-47,7 every lap for 10 laps and no crashes.

The reason we all crash, is we push to the limit of what is possible with this bike :P

Fully I agree with you, I was talking in game knowing that if you fall, the side of the tyre exceeds 100 degrees.

Knowing the first corner you can post a mini replay with your line? To me it is difficult to maintain the same every lap  :-[

It is not normal that after a fall that we are obliged to go to the stand(pit) because the tire too much warmed and for a beginner to make 2 tours(towers,ballots) without falling is especially very complicated with the 125gp. If we push too much the motorcycle we fall and if we are not on the good trajectory we fall. That is more going to disgust the news(short stories) than to improve them. That stays that my opinion(notice).

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Fair point Yan, however that particular problem is consistent with a lot (if not all?) bikes not just the 125.

Its something needs looking into.

I don't think the 125 is good for beginners, especially not on tracks with tight hairpins.

The front end bug is extremely demotivating.

Quote from: vin97 on June 30, 2015, 02:25:49 PM
I don't think the 125 is good for beginners, especially not on tracks with tight hairpins.

The front end bug is extremely demotivating.

Agreed, the 125 is not a perceptually nice bike to ride at the moment :-\

Unless Nick and Meyer have found a magic setup :P

Just done another 40 laps without any issues don't know what you are all banging on about lol

Quote from: Napalm Nick on June 30, 2015, 04:38:53 PM
Just done another 40 laps without any issues don't know what you are all banging on about lol

Quote from: matty0l215 on June 30, 2015, 04:27:59 PM
Unless Nick and Meyer have found a magic setup :P

Ummm ???

I will PM you my setup dude have a go  ;D

its magic!

It is about setup (close to default) and then the right line, then there is not as much problems, pretty close to none compared to the other bikes :)

I've got the setup, I'll give it a go :)

I used to love riding the 125 but i never got to ride in the Red bull rookie cup :'(

I'm going to upload a lap with the setup of Meyer and Nick (maybe I changed a little in the gear can not remember: \)

Know that here I make lines very strange ...  ;D

One day 46 will be mine....

(http://i59.tinypic.com/2lxwf3k.png)

haha  ;D

Seriously, it surprising how much fun we are having here. Never put so many laps in on one bike chasing 1 tenth.

Shame hotlap server not updating again pfffff

8 people interested in the Rookies Training and Cup so far that's great and enough to get set up I think.

Can the 8 who are interested send me a PM please?

Little training video, not my best lap, because i had a core.exe while i saved the replay, and I did not really want to try again, but its a 47  :P

That's really good Blackheart.  ;D  I know that creating these things isn't just a two minute job.

Very much appreciated mate  ;)

Quote from: Napalm Nick on June 30, 2015, 10:57:33 PM
That's really good Blackheart.  ;D  I know that creating these things isn't just a two minute job.

Very much appreciated mate  ;)

Thx :)

Only 1 hour  ;D

20 for a decent lap
10 for video editing
20 for the render
10 for the upload on youtube

EDIT: Instead to create my suit two weeks  ;D ;D ;D

I ride with similar style, but try not to use brakes at all on the 125cc bike except for the hairpin. I try and use gear change(down-change) to slow the bike down into all other corners. But yeah, I really do think that if you get the hairpin correct you can easily knock a second off your lap times.

Very nice job there with your video BlackHeart... Well done mate!  ;D 8)

Hawk.

Really good lap Blacky! I do it little differently which seems to work for me.

But i see you now found the line trough first corner, where there is no bumps and the rest of that lap looked pretty damn good made! You can beat 0,5 of your lap at least! Trough hairpin, if you get the perfect line + exit, but that is also about luck in that corner :)

All in all a really good lap with good help for rookies!

Ps. Sorry i never posted a video of my lap, i am not good at making videos or anything, not a computer whiz here, i am more a racer whiz lol!

Quote from: Meyer#12 on July 01, 2015, 09:58:25 AM
Really good lap Blacky! I do it little differently which seems to work for me.

But i see you now found the line trough first corner, where there is no bumps and the rest of that lap looked pretty damn good made! You can beat 0,5 of your lap at least! Trough hairpin, if you get the perfect line + exit, but that is also about luck in that corner :)

All in all a really good lap with good help for rookies!

Ps. Sorry i never posted a video of my lap, i am not good at making videos or anything, not a computer whiz here, i am more a racer whiz lol!

I can assure you that there is no bumps at that point in the track surface; if you try other good mod bikes they will show you that you can take that section anyway you like without a washout. The deduction must therefore be that it is either a tyre physics problem(as you know there is a problem with the tyre physics temperature rate simulation on certain bikes), a setup problem(doubtful), or a bike physics problem(Likely).

It's the same with the hairpin at "Mallory Park 1978": Some bikes are very stable and smooth around the hairpin(with the correct setup), others are terrible handling around the hairpin(no matter what setup you try) - Therefore again, it's got to be a bike physics problem.  :)

Don't get me wrong.... If anyone can prove otherwise I'm well open to them pointing out the facts so that I can remedy anything in the track surface that is causing problems, but in this case having looked at the facts and evidence, I think you'll find I'm correct.  ;)

Hawk.

Quote from: Hawk UK on July 01, 2015, 11:37:11 AM
I can assure you that there is no bumps at that point in the track surface; if you try other good mod bikes they will show you that you can take that section anyway you like without a washout. The deduction must therefore be that it is either a tyre physics problem(as you know there is a problem with the tyre physics temperature rate simulation on certain bikes), a setup problem(doubtful), or a bike physics problem(Likely).

It's the same with the hairpin at "Mallory Park 1978": Some bikes are very stable and smooth around the hairpin(with the correct setup), others are terrible handling around the hairpin(no matter what setup you try) - Therefore again, it's got to be a bike physics problem.  :)

Don't get me wrong.... If anyone can prove otherwise I'm well open to them pointing out the facts so that I can remedy anything in the track surface that is causing problems, but in this case having looked at the facts and evidence, I think you'll find I'm correct.  ;)

Hawk.

I see what you mean and it doesn't look like there is a bump, but at that exact spot on the track, every time i go there or others go there, the front slips.

To mee, it looks like the front tyre, gets a little knock out of position and then slides away.

I am sure, that on most bikes, this won't do a lot, because they are more stable over small bumps. I had few problems on the 500cc there too, seem like the bike got a small wobble. I can't prove it is a bump or whatever it is, but there is something there that makes the front slip when still full lean just 0,5-1 meter closer to the inside, nothing happens and crossing the middle earlier or before, nothing happens either.. I can't say it is not something about the tyre temp, that is weird.

But to me, that place on track something happens :)

And not criticising track at all! love this track and you have done a really good job with it! :D

Quote from: Meyer#12 on July 01, 2015, 12:15:41 PM

Quote from: Hawk UK on July 01, 2015, 11:37:11 AM
I can assure you that there is no bumps at that point in the track surface; if you try other good mod bikes they will show you that you can take that section anyway you like without a washout. The deduction must therefore be that it is either a tyre physics problem(as you know there is a problem with the tyre physics temperature rate simulation on certain bikes), a setup problem(doubtful), or a bike physics problem(Likely).

It's the same with the hairpin at "Mallory Park 1978": Some bikes are very stable and smooth around the hairpin(with the correct setup), others are terrible handling around the hairpin(no matter what setup you try) - Therefore again, it's got to be a bike physics problem.  :)

Don't get me wrong.... If anyone can prove otherwise I'm well open to them pointing out the facts so that I can remedy anything in the track surface that is causing problems, but in this case having looked at the facts and evidence, I think you'll find I'm correct.  ;)

Hawk.

I see what you mean and it doesn't look like there is a bump, but at that exact spot on the track, every time i go there or others go there, the front slips.

To mee, it looks like the front tyre, gets a little knock out of position and then slides away.

I am sure, that on most bikes, this won't do a lot, because they are more stable over small bumps. I had few problems on the 500cc there too, seem like the bike got a small wobble. I can't prove it is a bump or whatever it is, but there is something there that makes the front slip when still full lean just 0,5-1 meter closer to the inside, nothing happens and crossing the middle earlier or before, nothing happens either.. I can't say it is not something about the tyre temp, that is weird.

But to me, that place on track something happens :)

And not criticising track at all! love this track and you have done a really good job with it! :D

No, no.... no worries mate. I know your not criticising the track at all, your just pointing out an issue that occurs at that point in the track with the 125cc bike.  ;) 8)

I know it is a weird issue because I, and like you say, many others if not all others get the same issue at that point in the track surface(it's exactly like hitting an oil patch isn't it. Lol)....... I personally believe it is a combination of an issue with the tyre temps/physics and bike physics issue with the narrower tyres the 125cc bike has. Could even be an issue with the collision detection model? Maybe the collision detection model still needs optimising because another thing I've noticed is that at the hairpin, if your right behind someone and they fall it often seems that you fall as well for no apparent reason....... I'm sure before beta 6 this issue didn't happen at all. So maybe it could just be optimisation needed to polish things up?

Hawk.

These discussions are very good I think. We all learn something.

Maybe we just reach the limit of the bikes ability at that point. If this one was cured then it would be the next and next until finally we can take the hairpin at 100mph and say the bike handles pretty good.

Don't get me wrong, I think there is an issue with the bike but thinking the bikes ability has been reached keeps me smiling.   ;)

Quote from: Hawk UK on July 01, 2015, 12:37:05 PM

No, no.... no worries mate. I know your not criticising the track at all, your just pointing out an issue that occurs at that point in the track with the 125cc bike.  ;) 8)

I know it is a weird issue because I, and like you say, many others if not all others get the same issue at that point in the track surface(it's exactly like hitting an oil patch isn't it. Lol)....... I personally believe it is a combination of an issue with the tyre temps/physics and bike physics issue with the narrower tyres the 125cc bike has. Could even be an issue with the collision detection model? Maybe the collision detection model still needs optimising because another thing I've noticed is that at the hairpin, if your right behind someone and they fall it often seems that you fall as well for no apparent reason....... I'm sure before beta 6 this issue didn't happen at all. So maybe it could just be optimisation needed to polish things up?

Hawk.
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yeah, that might be the problem. Seems like the front just slips there, exactly like if there was an oil patch or just a tiny little bump.

But i guess you are right, must be somet physics problem. I think a problem with the 125GP is also the lean angle, it is a bit too high compared to what you would and could do in the real life, this seems to be the reason for front sliding in many other corners and on pretty much ANY other track..
I think this problem can be sorted, when the riding style customization comes, because you would then be able to use rider weight more and make it more like the real riding of the smaller bikes, where lean angle is little less and you use your body instead :)

And i agree with you Nick, we are pretty close to the limit of this bike, and that is why we have so many problems. We are not meant to go 46 times on a 125GP bike here, but because of the little higher lean angle than normal and the great track, we can do it!

Everybody is on the limit while doing times from 46 to mid 47 times, as this bike is so easy to get into it's limit at tracks where there is not big bump issue :)

I personally don't think this is a bad bike at all! It is just made so we can lean it too much, if people would just sometimes lift it a bit, so we don't lean to maximum, you can get this around many tracks quite easily and still pretty fast! :)

When we talk about it I feel a big compulsion to have another go. I may be addicted.  :-X

I am already online :D

just posted 46,444 at my first lap! :D

Maybe time to stop when at the top? hahaha

Quote from: Napalm Nick on July 01, 2015, 01:12:53 PM
When we talk about it I feel a big compulsion to have another go. I may be addicted.  :-X

Your not alone on this Nick! I feel the same! Hehe.  ;D 8)

Hawk.

Quote from: Meyer#12 on July 01, 2015, 09:58:25 AM
Ps. Sorry i never posted a video of my lap, i am not good at making videos or anything, not a computer whiz here, i am more a racer whiz lol!

No problem  ;D

Its very simple, you just have to create an account (free of course XD) on Dropbox, save the piece of replay, directly in GP Bikes and upload the file (found in the path "documents / Piboso / GP Bikes / replays") on your dropbox folder, for the recording, I do.

Since you are faster, for the next races we could use your replay ;)

If you need a detailed guide let me know :)

Quote from: Blackheart on July 01, 2015, 04:12:55 PM

Quote from: Meyer#12 on July 01, 2015, 09:58:25 AM
Ps. Sorry i never posted a video of my lap, i am not good at making videos or anything, not a computer whiz here, i am more a racer whiz lol!

No problem  ;D

Its very simple, you just have to create an account (free of course XD) on Dropbox, save the piece of replay, directly in GP Bikes and upload the file (found in the path "documents / Piboso / GP Bikes / replays") on your dropbox folder, for the recording, I do.

Since you are faster, for the next races we could use your replay ;)

If you need a detailed guide let me know :)

Oh i thought you wanted a whole done youtube video :)

BTW, i have 2 replays of my 46,444 lap and one where i did Just a tad better 46,423 after a first sector with a littl scary moment ;)

I can send them if you want :D

Certainly scared me  :o lol

Quote from: Meyer#12 on July 01, 2015, 04:23:29 PM
Oh i thought you wanted a whole done youtube video :)

BTW, i have 2 replays of my 46,444 lap and one where i did Just a tad better 46,423 after a first sector with a littl scary moment ;)

I can send them if you want :D

I have a powerful PC and a great internet connection, send me what you think is best, if your setup is different from that of my video, put even the 4 screenshots completeness.

;)

Quote from: Blackheart on July 01, 2015, 04:36:46 PM

Quote from: Meyer#12 on July 01, 2015, 04:23:29 PM
Oh i thought you wanted a whole done youtube video :)

BTW, i have 2 replays of my 46,444 lap and one where i did Just a tad better 46,423 after a first sector with a littl scary moment ;)

I can send them if you want :D

I have a powerful PC and a great internet connection, send me what you think is best, if your setup is different from that of my video, put even the 4 screenshots completeness.

;)

Oh okay cool!

well my PC can't take in game screenshots! no idea why it can't :(

Let's figure out something when we are online (in game) together :D

Quote from: Meyer#12 on July 01, 2015, 04:46:09 PM

Oh okay cool!

well my PC can't take in game screenshots! no idea why it can't :(

Let's figure out something when we are online (in game) together :D

Have you tried the classic press "print / stamp" on keyboard and paste on Paint or other program?  ;D

Quote from: Blackheart on July 01, 2015, 04:58:56 PM

Quote from: Meyer#12 on July 01, 2015, 04:46:09 PM

Oh okay cool!

well my PC can't take in game screenshots! no idea why it can't :(

Let's figure out something when we are online (in game) together :D

Have you tried the classic press "print / stamp" on keyboard and paste on Paint or other program?  ;D

Haha yep! and it just took screenshot of the internet explorer instead of the game i was in....

In-game screenshots are already built in - F11 boiz  ;)

Saves to documents/piboso/screenshots area

Quote from: Blackheart on June 26, 2015, 08:36:40 PM
I think that does not serve to follow the fastest. An example: Event RSA Vs Moto2 Yan had seemed an alien with a 2:41:14 qual time in Spa..

Well, after a week i ride in 2:39 just it needs a little time off, of course those who have more to turn, goes faster  ;)

In my opinion it would be more useful to have a guide very easy to setup,  and an archive with the best settings for each bike and circuit.

+1 on that. I also think, the main reason for slower lap times for me is little confidence in the bike and also often a lack of stability. Sometimes I hit the right direction with the setup, but it's all luck by now. I really don't know what to setup against or for a special behavior of the bike.

Have the server went down? at least i can't see it now

Quote from: Patrick on July 01, 2015, 06:16:16 PM

Quote from: Blackheart on June 26, 2015, 08:36:40 PM
I think that does not serve to follow the fastest. An example: Event RSA Vs Moto2 Yan had seemed an alien with a 2:41:14 qual time in Spa..

Well, after a week i ride in 2:39 just it needs a little time off, of course those who have more to turn, goes faster  ;)

In my opinion it would be more useful to have a guide very easy to setup,  and an archive with the best settings for each bike and circuit.

+1 on that. I also think, the main reason for slower lap times for me is little confidence in the bike and also often a lack of stability. Sometimes I hit the right direction with the setup, but it's all luck by now. I really don't know what to setup against or for a special behavior of the bike.

Good idea in principle, but you'll find that a setup that works well for one rider doesn't always work well for another. It more depends a lot on your riding style.

Having said that. A good setup is probably a good base setup for any rider to start from and then to tweak and adjust for their own riding style.  :)

Maybe a setup guide telling especially new riders exactly what each setting does to the handling would be a good idea though?

Hawk.

Its been asked a million times I'm sure, in fact here is me asking it too http://forum.piboso.com/index.php?topic=2163.0
All I could do was provide a PDF link with a rough troubleshooting guide.

Set-up is complicated, perhaps the only man who knows what the in-game settings are likely to achieve (as opposed to 'should' achieve) is PiB himself.

Its a complicated issue, and as a long time member said once - "the 'Placebo' settings? I don't touch em." Lol.

Everyone could do a lot worse than reading through the various topics archived in the SETUPS (http://forum.piboso.com/index.php?board=8.0) section.

This event is still being discussed don't think we have forgotten.  ;D

Also lets not forget what online racing brings.... most of us are noobs in this respect lol. all weather conditions/ temperatures etc etc effect your setup for a start! its impressive but would be a full time job mastering every scenario lol.

i love GPB's lol  8)

Could the 7 who have said they will help out PM me pls with any ideas you specifically wish to do. TA!