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matty0l215

Don't blame this on me!

Great work DD and good to see you like it :P ;D

doubledragoncc

LOL I know matty, its all part of the joke bro lol.

I do really NEED this though, even in its fankenstein version, I found it easier to learn to take a quicker line and get a LOT faster as I knew I could by seeing ME lol.

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matty0l215

Quote from: doubledragoncc on March 24, 2016, 07:33:28 am
LOL I know matty, its all part of the joke bro lol.

I do really NEED this though, even in its fankenstein version, I found it easier to learn to take a quicker line and get a LOT faster as I knew I could by seeing ME lol.

DD


What you need would be for the fastest person on a track/bike to submit their lap so people can use it to train. As it seems like the ghosts are exchangable.

Vini

no wobbles?

alright, it's settled then, we all switch to mx bikes and convert the mod bikes.

doubledragoncc

Good idea Vin, it would be a good way for personal competition even if the track is not online. Brands Hatch GP being one right now. So its another point about why an AI or at least a Trainer would be a good idea.

I tried the GP15 and Varesa, both far smoother. It is hard to push the bike to the limit as the riders weight is wrong in MXB.

With luck Piboso can say if it is easy to implement into GPB or too late!!! On the whole, MXB is far better quality of program than GPB.

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Hawk

For me personally, if I couldn't ride online with you guys, especially in race events, then my copy of GPBikes would've been consigned to the deepest darkest depths of the "games" shelve years ago never to see the light of day again. Like most other AI attributed games I would've quickly lost interest riding against drones that don't relate or act anything like a real-life rider.

Having said that, I can see that those who have a bad internet connection would find some compromise in having an AI feature, but I would suggest a better solution: Get a decent internet connection, then you'll have access to the most sophisticated riders in the world - real people, real riders. Problem solved!  :P ;D

Hawk.

matty0l215

DD do you have stabilty help on in MX bikes?? That might  be whats helping you.

To be honest the bike in your video looked way to stable almost arcade like. :P

Napalm Nick

Interesting stuff Dr F-  I didn't know the about the MX Bikes helper.  8)

I've got some thoughts on it :

-  if it can be put into GPBikes then it really should be, I can't see one reason not to have it, I mean why alienate all the people who want it? Even for disbelievers it would be useful to improve your times. The question is the 'if it can be' done of course. Only PiB knows that.

- Stability helper - MXBIkes is a complicated beast to control and I can see why it is needed. I think the only reason GpBikes would need it is to overcome the problems with the physics. If applied to GPBikes I just can't get away from the thought "arcade slider". Again not a major problem even if it was an 'arcade slider' - all it is doing is opening the game to a wider customer base. So long as I can switch the fecker off on the server lol!

- stability in MX bikes with a GPBike...if the physics applied in MXBikes is irrelevant to a road bike then even if it is more stable it should be totally ignored. Its like making cherry flavoured strawberries cos you don't like strawberry flavour.  Haha I may have finally totally lost it. I suppose someone will argue they are both motorcycles which is a fair comeback.

Anyway don't get yer panties in a bunch over my comments its all a healthy discussion !

Well done DD it was great to see that! Lets hope it gets into GPBikes!
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doubledragoncc

March 24, 2016, 09:21:10 am #893 Last Edit: March 24, 2016, 09:24:12 am by doubledragoncc
@Hawk, sorry mate but that is the kind of thing that is so wrong to say............WHY should I have to spend £20 a month just to play GPB online!!!! Thats the same attitude as NFS and such. Sorry mate but it is bloody unfair on people like poor CDX that was ready to race but his only got a shared internet connection. Many people live where they have no choice of the internet connection as they rent a place, many cant get one plain and simple and many like myself want to have the option to learn without being online. It is selfish to want it your way only because you want it online only. Sorry buddy but that is a very unfair way of thinking. This is a sim for all not just the few.

I am sorry but it gets my goat when I am FORCED to spend my money just to use a product I have already paid for. To HAVE to have internet is the worst thing that ever happened to gaming. There should always be an offline game of some sorts included.

CDX is a perfect example and I really felt bad for him at Mantorp last weekend.!!!

DD

Edit, I turned stability off and it was still very stable. It was hard to judge in one way as the riders weight was not correct. It is only about the fact it did NOT have front end wobble. This means, it could be fixed in GPB if it is already not existent in MXB. It is simply that P does not seem bothered about it.
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dareaper46

I really enjoyed your video DD. The bike does seem a lot more stable. Even without stability help it was really smooth. I think if the bike can be a little more "unstable" than the bike with no stability that would be a good place between smoothness and reality.

In terms of the helper. I would love it. I am not playing in any online event anymore as I don't want to hear again that my ping is the cause of someone elses wrong move. I live in a country far away from you guys so it will be impossible for me to ever play with you guys, regardless of my connection. Hopefully Piboso would realize the need for this in GPBikes aswell, as I can't see why it shouldn't be in if it is in MXBikes? Does not make sense AT ALL. Hope to see this in GPBikes, so that I can atleast race against something again.

Napalm Nick

That is a shame to hear mate. You are most welcome of course. Why don't you SA guys get together?? Suggested before I know.

As for the stability issue I think this game is ALL about the physics. POINT (as DD would say). In my opinion chasing stability by any other means is just making an arcade game. And there are already plenty of those 5-minute-of-fun-wonders. Don't get me wrong I AM NOT anti-arcade games. I just want ONE simulator game!
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dareaper46

When it was first mentioned that my ping was a problem it was the 5th or so race that I had done with you guys, with no-one ever having a problem. When it was mentioned, it was also mentioned that max ping must be 200+-. I would never reach that, so did not bother to race again as I don't want to have issues with anyone.

I am trying to get an organization onboard called Sim Race South Africa. - http://simracesa.proboards.com/thread/1575/gpbikes-bike-sim-sa-riders?page=1&scrollTo=22337

They are from what I gathered the biggest group of Sim Enthusiasts in SA. I spoke to the owner and he likes the idea but has some concerns. The demo bike will also not help much.

I agree 100%. I am scared that the stability help would push the game towards the arcady side. What I meant was just that if the physics can mimic what we saw in DD's videos without Stability -20% +-(theoretical), with an adjustment to physics in GPBikes I think that would be a great balance. In other words  -  GPBike in MXBikes with 0% - 20% = -20% stability would be good balance. If that makes sense :P. (20% only used as a random/rough figure)

doubledragoncc

Dont get me wrong, I want pure sim too. BUT the wobbles in GPB are totally unrealistic and that test in MXB show it CAN be fixed and there is o excuse that it has not in years!!!

My main concern about both the aspects in that video are not possible in GPB because MXB seems to be way aahead of GPB in quality, IE lack of core crashes offline compared to GPB, Ive had NONE and that is with GPB tracks!!! I have used the Supermoto on most tracks and not one core crash in the same places I always get them in GPB???

When I turned the stability off, the bike had more movement in its suspention but no wobble, THAT is what I liked, NO WOBBLE. I agree that GPB needs about 20% of the stability of the MXB riding feel.

DD
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Napalm Nick

Quote from: doubledragoncc on March 24, 2016, 10:11:13 am
Dont get me wrong, I want pure sim too. BUT the wobbles in GPB are totally unrealistic and that test in MXB show it CAN be fixed and there is o excuse that it has not in years!!!

DD


But it is not 'fixing it' - it is overcoming a physics problem by unrealistic means. No? Surely the wrong direction to go?
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Hawk

Quote from: doubledragoncc on March 24, 2016, 09:21:10 am
@Hawk, sorry mate but that is the kind of thing that is so wrong to say............WHY should I have to spend £20 a month just to play GPB online!!!! Thats the same attitude as NFS and such. Sorry mate but it is bloody unfair on people like poor CDX that was ready to race but his only got a shared internet connection. Many people live where they have no choice of the internet connection as they rent a place, many cant get one plain and simple and many like myself want to have the option to learn without being online. It is selfish to want it your way only because you want it online only. Sorry buddy but that is a very unfair way of thinking. This is a sim for all not just the few.

I am sorry but it gets my goat when I am FORCED to spend my money just to use a product I have already paid for. To HAVE to have internet is the worst thing that ever happened to gaming. There should always be an offline game of some sorts included.

CDX is a perfect example and I really felt bad for him at Mantorp last weekend.!!!

DD

Edit, I turned stability off and it was still very stable. It was hard to judge in one way as the riders weight was not correct. It is only about the fact it did NOT have front end wobble. This means, it could be fixed in GPB if it is already not existent in MXB. It is simply that P does not seem bothered about it.


Haha! Well we can't always agree on everything can we matey. Lol. It's not an issue DD, just my little seemingly lonesome opinion here on this subject which I'm sure Piboso is going to take note of(as he always does. Lol) and implement as a high priority! Hehe!  ;D ;D

Seems we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one mate. AI is a pet hate of mine I'm afraid. As is best-line indicators(if you've noticed I never implement best-line indicators in any of the tracks I work on. If I had my way I wouldn't implement respawn in GPB either..... Very controversial subjects I know, but I say it how it is for me so..... Lol   ;) 8)

Hawk.