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GP Bikes beta5

Started by PiBoSo, June 20, 2014, 05:13:51 PM

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Hawk

Quote from: Daniel_F on June 22, 2014, 12:30:12 PM
i did many sim with 20 laps with no falls but not in this beta thats what i meant .. :P

Oh... I guess your talking about that very nervous front end that is in the new Beta 5 causing you to fall now? I agree; the front end was also nervous in Beta4b but is worse in slow corners in beta 5, but oddly seems okay and tracks great while taking faster corners. Strange.

Hawk.

Alibaskins

Quote from: HornetMaX on June 22, 2014, 12:01:41 PM
Quote from: Hawk_UK on June 22, 2014, 11:54:31 AM
Quote from: Daniel_F on June 22, 2014, 11:25:15 AM
i actualy dont belive no one in the luckiest day in theyr file with extreme skill on this game could do a full race without multiple falls xD

Lol... I understand what you mean Daniel, but I believe Arvoss complete a 125cc Rebull Champ race once without falling.  :)
I've seen many riders do 15 laps races with zero falls, even with hard battles. I can't, but others can for sure.

MaX.

I know you aren't speaking about me...but...I can't ^^

Daniel_F

to me the front end troubles comes when u take off the gas slow or fast corner but since i take it off more often in slow ones

janaucarre

Hello,
i think my best session is about 12 laps without falls.

I come back earlier than i thought for fresh reports:

- extrem good feeling with the rpm/angle settings:)
- the bikes are easier to put in the curves, my opinion is that is more realistic than before.
- brakes are very good
- i have a gain of fps, around 30-50 fps, i never was up to 55-65 and now 90-120.
- background and new informations are better
- interface is better
- the pilot falls off the bike really later than before, that´s good. A little bit earlier could be better but as now it´s nice.
- i feel better in the head´s pilot view, but i don't play often in this setting.
- like all other players i have a problem with the front dribbles
- until now i never had THE problem of the front wheel falling without any reason, good:)
- last months i loose the pleasure of riding the 500cc, now i like it many more, more sensivity, mote power and more capacity to correct a little drift:)


For drastic diminution of wheeling i have tried supensions settings and i found that when i put the minimum value for the front an rear first line( sorry i don't remember the name) the bike feel better. Try it:).
track tested:
jerez(500/1000);suzuka(500:):)); mugello(500/1000)
For me the positive is more than the negative;)

Arvoss

Is it me or is the free replay movement not working? :/

Stout Johnson

June 22, 2014, 02:01:36 PM #170 Last Edit: June 22, 2014, 02:03:57 PM by Stout Johnson
Quote from: HornetMaX on June 22, 2014, 12:01:41 PM
Quote from: Hawk_UK on June 22, 2014, 11:54:31 AM
Quote from: Daniel_F on June 22, 2014, 11:25:15 AM
i actualy dont belive no one in the luckiest day in theyr file with extreme skill on this game could do a full race without multiple falls xD

Lol... I understand what you mean Daniel, but I believe Arvoss complete a 125cc Rebull Champ race once without falling.  :)
I've seen many riders do 15 laps races with zero falls, even with hard battles. I can't, but others can for sure.

MaX.
I think it is still possible, we only need some short time to adjust - like with all new betas we have had. I can already do extended runs. Main problem for me as an onboard rider is, that with the rpm now changing with the lean angle, it is sometimes hard to figure out how fast I am actually riding. In beta4b, a change in rpm definitely meant an increase in speed (provided I was in same gear and did not touch clutch), now it might just mean that I increased lean angle. The rpm change while leaning is definitely realistic - I hope it is calculated correctly. But I am pretty sure, most likely not too hard to calculate how much the rpm should change in relation to lean angle.

I haven't had too much time to test the new beta, but so far I like what I see. Most important thing for everybody is, like MaX said, to only cross-check Victoria, as this track is the "official" track. Any problems you may encounter on other track (esp. those) may essentially mean that they are just not suited for a bike sim and may need overhaul, esp. surface-wise. On wheeling: So far, I would think it def IS a a problem. With max wheelie control it just plainly SHOULDN'T wheelie as it does - maybe the wheelie control needs to be re-done. The wobble is not that much of a problem imo, BUT it should tone down faster with a steering damper - sometimes the wobble continues for 3-4 seconds. The feeling when leaning and on the brakes is much improved in beta 5 imo. Also, in beta4b when you were on the grass even the slightest lean angle meant a crash - now you can have realistic lean angles w/o crashing - more realisitic imo. Might also be connected to the new tyre/grip calculations. Just my quick thoughts.

I will give further review on new beta5 as soon as I had more practice. So far very good!
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Warlock

June 22, 2014, 02:03:11 PM #171 Last Edit: June 22, 2014, 02:05:06 PM by Warlock
Quote from: janaucarre on June 22, 2014, 01:39:02 PM
For drastic diminution of wheeling i have tried supensions settings and i found that when i put the minimum value for the front an rear first line( sorry i don't remember the name) the bike feel better. Try it:).

Can you confirm this in Brno GP?    I did the same with spring setting, but is almost impossible to avoid a massive wobble exiting second corner.

Stout Johnson

Quote from: Klax75 on June 22, 2014, 09:54:29 AM
I was able to get on one of the Jerez servers. Not sure who was hosting. I used the Server list website page, hit join from there. Then GP Bikes launched, a window came up asking for a password. I just hit Ok. Then it said it was connecting, the connected. I got on the server. First time I hit the settings tab, then GP Bikes core'd. I did everything again this time went to the track and was able to ride 10 laps.

For me the join via http://stats.gp-bikes.com/servers.php doesnt work. When I hit "join" nothing happens, just nothing. I tried with Firefox and Chrome. Can someone advise?
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LOOPATELI

Quote from: Stout Johnson on June 22, 2014, 02:31:34 PM
Quote from: Klax75 on June 22, 2014, 09:54:29 AM
I was able to get on one of the Jerez servers. Not sure who was hosting. I used the Server list website page, hit join from there. Then GP Bikes launched, a window came up asking for a password. I just hit Ok. Then it said it was connecting, the connected. I got on the server. First time I hit the settings tab, then GP Bikes core'd. I did everything again this time went to the track and was able to ride 10 laps.

For me the join via http://stats.gp-bikes.com/servers.php doesnt work. When I hit "join" nothing happens, just nothing. I tried with Firefox and Chrome. Can someone advise?
same problem for me, I click on join screen comes black but then the game does not open

matty0l215

are you using a mod bike?
I got it working after i went in game, selected the rc990 with default skin, launched into track and then quit out
I could then go online using the server list
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Vini

After testing the 990 a little bit more (also on other tracks), I have a slightly different opinion, first the positive points:
The lean-angle-rpm simulation is awesome and very realistic, the increased power is (although hard to handle) also realistic and pretty fun and in my opinion the feel for the real wheel is slightly better.
Now the big negative point: The nervous front wheel, you have random lowsides in a lot of slow corners (even on smooth tracks) and really bad speed wobbles out of fast corners.

I can't yet decide whether the braking is improved, I guess I just need a little bit of time to get used to it. The new engine braking is a little bit strange though, the engine braking itself is (although a little bit harder to predict) not so different but the rpms are dropping way too quick in my opinion (even without shifting down or lifting the rear wheel).

Daniel_F

i belive the breaking is way way way more powerfull at victoria i can brake a lot later then i used to be i belive when front end get fixed lap times will drop like flies

yet after hours trying to manage the bike with setup or more smoth with or without eletronic i find the game right now not playable....

but dont get me wrong i think the changes are good just need to take off the sharp edges ...

Stout Johnson

Quote from: matty0l215 on June 22, 2014, 03:05:22 PM
are you using a mod bike?
I got it working after i went in game, selected the rc990 with default skin, launched into track and then quit out
I could then go online using the server list

Thnx for the info, but also doesn't work. The problem rather seems to be that the link into starting the application core.exe doesn't work or is not supported by my browsers. When starting with IE, the link seems to be triggered (whereas nothing happens with FF or Chrome) BUT then it says sth like "do you wanna allow this website to start an application?" when I click "Allow" then I can select to look for an App in the Microsoft App-Store, but I cannot select the core.exe from GPB... so still don't know how to start. With Chrome I dont have an ad-block or sth. that could possibly stop the link from the "Join"-button on the website. Any ideas?

Quote from: vin97 on June 22, 2014, 03:20:21 PM
[...] you have random lowsides in a lot of slow corners (even on smooth tracks)
Do you mean while braking or accelerating?
I also experienced this when doing some long runs on Phillip Island. Sometimes when accelerating out of corners, the bike just low-sides. On braking I think it is more realistic now - you have to be a bit more sensitive whereas on beta4b you could brake very hard even in big lean angles. But now, I  sometimes get pretty strange low-sides when accelerating, which should rather result in losing the rear or a high-side.  ???

I like the new feeling with the engine braking - feels much more like riding a bike.
    -----------   WarStout Kawasaki Team   -----------

janaucarre

one another big superplus is the ping online, it is very lower than before and that´s great:)

HornetMaX

Quote from: janaucarre on June 22, 2014, 05:00:48 PM
one another big superplus is the ping online, it is very lower than before and that´s great:)
I still see no servers online ... how did you check your ping ?

MaX.