Orange vest session possibility | On Hold Post B7

[h106frp]

Is it possible for the owners club to organize an 'orange jersey' GPB novice training event occasionally?

Some recent discussions have made me come to the conclusion that people would maybe build their confidence learning GPB better and quicker if they could witness and follow other bikes and riders successfully completing areas of track that they are convinced are near impossible early in their involvement with GPB.

What i mean by an 'orange vest' is an event where nobody will be upset if they get speared off the track or someone topples over on the entry to the corner as they are doing their best ever flying lap or whilst practicing setups for a race event. It will be carnage on track but this can seem a frustrating sim when you start out and something to boost confidence is needed to encourage new owners to 'stay the course'.

I think some may be put off joining a general session because they do not want to cause problems for others on track whilst still in the constantly toppling over stage of learning.

Maybe run a poll and once you get a few 'learners' and a couple of more experienced guys who can act as 'pacing' riders just run a short session.

[Napalm Nick]

We can do anything here H. 

Really GPBOC racing events are run under the understanding that it is for everyone of every level and seniors should be patient with the juniors.

In reality we see a lot Rage Quitting still, some of which is likely caused by juniors ruining someones race but that isn't really the ethos of a club atmosphere  But then again races are conducted seriously as we think they should be.

More than happy to lay on a dedi server for 'Orange Vest training sessions' if there is a need.

Fortunately, at Mallory we have been given one of these for the training events:


I will be booking a ride with Yan24 this week to find out how it should be done!

Will open a poll to gauge interest. Let me know if you want any more options

[JamoZ]

Why all this effort? The way we (my former team) learned to ride is just to ride together and follow faster players online in practise sessions. Really no need for "orange vests" or special events.
Just find someone who is slightly faster then yourself and follow him, watch and learn.

I`ve always had the privilege of training with iVolution, and as we`ve always been on the same pace in almost every racing game it really helped us both to push eachother to the next level.

Once i have a new controller i`ll be getting back into GP bikes myself and i`m always more then happy to guide people around a track.

ps. anyone willing to crowdfund me a new controller? 

[Hawk]

I think this is a great idea, H! 

But I would also say to new and less experienced riders to not be afraid to just join events and servers anyway(it's the best way to learn fast), because we all understand that we've been there in that situation were we're beginners and unsteady on our bikes, and keep falling, etc, etc, until we start to get used to things and we all like to help new riders; and so long as people apologise to each other then that's all you can ask under the circumstances. 

But above all, don't join an event then rage quite just because you keep falling and getting lapped.... That I think does frustrate other riders because, if you join an event you are taking a slot on the grid that if you rage quite could've been taken by someone else. If you join an event you should finish the event. 

But the orange "Novice" Jersey and holding novice events is a great idea.... All for it! 

Hawk.
PS: Lol.... Great Pic Nick!

[matty0l215]

What about a slightly more structured practice seesion?

Like an organised race but only practicing with a few of fast people to lead novices, if they're willing

Maybe even some one to one stuff?

[Napalm Nick]

I will back just about anything suggested for 'the Club'. Numbers and voters will decide its appeal I guess.

Actually I think Rookie races are a great idea and a great way of learning skills and race-craft. Look at all the recent complaints in the championships about rookies.  So where do the rookies go to race now they aren't welcome in the Championships? They can come here!
Plus it gives incentive to race and get better if there is a 'prize' that is actually within reach.

Besides I might even get a podium at a Rookie race - especially after you have taught me stuff  Thanks for the offer. I will donate to the controller just as soon as my times match Yans.

[Hawk]

Why all this effort? The way we (my former team) learned to ride is just to ride together and follow faster players online in practise sessions. Really no need for "orange vests" or special events.
Just find someone who is slightly faster then yourself and follow him, watch and learn.

I`ve always had the privilege of training with iVolution, and as we`ve always been on the same pace in almost every racing game it really helped us both to push eachother to the next level.

Once i have a new controller i`ll be getting back into GP bikes myself and i`m always more then happy to guide people around a track.

ps. anyone willing to crowdfund me a new controller? 

I understand what your saying JamoZ, because that's exactly the way I learned too.... I remember yourself, Warlock, iVolution and other riders helping me a great deal when I first joined a server. 

Having said that I think that way is not for everyone..... Some do actually worry that they will spoil it for others and that they are not good enough to join an online server and rider with others, and I think something like this would help those riders to come and join online servers knowing that they are wearing colours that other riders can identify as a novice so to be patient and aware with them.

Above all.... This is a simulation and this is exactly what new Novice riders have to do in real life. No one is saying this should be compulsory at this time, so I personally think it would be great to see, as well as being a great help for new riders. 

Hawk.

[matty0l215]

I would consdier myself intermediate when it comes to speed and race pace (and am guilty of rage quiting because i keep crashing ) but when i was still new to all this i would have loved to have had some organised track sessions.

I rember when stout used to do the nightshift races and he and peterv used to tell me where i was going wrong. Thats when i started to get some decent pace and was able to really start race as apposed to circulating round the track for 10 laps and come last.

Haveing an organised race/training/sessions for novices to get on track and practice would be great in my opinion!

And like nick, i might even be able to score a podium once in a while

[h106frp]

Having watched a few recent race vids it is obvious that GPB has a huge variance in rider abilities, some super quick experienced guys, some slow and steady and some just starting out (BOBR getting speared was quite shocking and i had to watch it a few time to even work out where the other rider appeared from). Mixing everyone together can be frustrating for all and i just thought a chance to ride with company and no great expectations would help with learning GPB. Be nice to see a few other bikes on track - it can feel lonely out there 

I have practiced continually and it has taken weeks to get to a point of doing several laps at a reasonable speed without falling and i will still miss braking points or just have a drama and throw myself into the scenery and would not like to cause someone else to rage.

I am not sure everyone has the patience to persevere past the initial frustration with the sim and i though an informal event might give newcomers a bit of encouragement and a chance to learn the correct track etiquette, decent lines and that it is actually a ride-able sim, if you have come from the motoGP, superbike or RIDE series of games where the bikes are easy to ride and its actually quite difficult to fall GPB must seem 'broken' at first. Even GP500 can be dumbed down to a point where its easy to get started, GPB really does not have a simple mode.

Maybe these would help 

[Napalm Nick]

Agree with what you are all saying but I think numbers will let this down at the moment but we will see.

Whether it gets pushed in this form or not I think a few rookie races are looking good.

PS: H the controller modding has now crossed a line lol

[Boerenlater]

I would love to ride for a long time behind Yan or JJS to see their lines and how they ride, without them taking off in the sunset.

[nuovaic]

But if you are slower than Yan you won't be able to keep up. If he slows down it'll likely mean different lines and braking points.
I am still of the opinion that it's practice, practice and more practice that makes you better. Provided you have a decent controller that is setup correctly. Just getting the lines right, finding braking makers and trying to be an automaton hitting apexes perfectly every lap is the key. The rest will come with practice.
I think a 'newbie' race for newbies only would be better, it would give everyone more confidence to race with guys at their own pace

[BOBR6 84]

If you suck - Play more! Practice more! its the only way to improve.. Iv'e been playing for maybe 2 years now? i still crash and make mistakes and im still scratching my head at some of these guys laptimes 

Pick a track, piece the corners/sectors together step by step.. simple  Following somebody wont work if you cant complete 1 corner.

Online, players tend to wait for others in open sessions... just more fun with a few riders.

Get online!! 

[Napalm Nick]

Ohhh look more fuel for the Ghost bike addition discussion?

Just imagine having a Yan lap ghost bike to load and follow.

Trouble is no doubt - how much arcade is wanted in a sim?

I'm sitting on the fence with this one.

[Meyer#12]

The best practice is to not be afraid and just go with the faster guys, you learn a lot really fast! I was in the bottom when the moto3 championship started like half a year ago, now i am starting to catch up and have even had a few wins, they only way that have happened, was because i went racing and didn't give up, but just tried and spend some hours here!

I am willing to come help if i can do anything, no matter what it is, i will do what i can to help other people getting faster, so we can have some good close racing like we see in Moto3