Orange vest session possibility | On Hold Post B7

[matty0l215]

I've got the setup, I'll give it a go

I used to love riding the 125 but i never got to ride in the Red bull rookie cup

[Blackheart]

I'm going to upload a lap with the setup of Meyer and Nick (maybe I changed a little in the gear can not remember: \)

Know that here I make lines very strange ... 

[Napalm Nick]

One day 46 will be mine....



haha 

Seriously, it surprising how much fun we are having here. Never put so many laps in on one bike chasing 1 tenth.

Shame hotlap server not updating again pfffff

[Napalm Nick]

8 people interested in the Rookies Training and Cup so far that's great and enough to get set up I think.

Can the 8 who are interested send me a PM please?

[Blackheart]

Little training video, not my best lap, because i had a core.exe while i saved the replay, and I did not really want to try again, but its a 47 

It is advisable to watch it in 1080p 60fps

https://www.youtube.com/v/58tYU3qEBbE

[Napalm Nick]

That's really good Blackheart.    I know that creating these things isn't just a two minute job.

Very much appreciated mate 

[Blackheart]

That's really good Blackheart.    I know that creating these things isn't just a two minute job.

Very much appreciated mate 

Thx

Only 1 hour 

20 for a decent lap
10 for video editing
20 for the render
10 for the upload on youtube

EDIT: Instead to create my suit two weeks 

[Hawk]

I ride with similar style, but try not to use brakes at all on the 125cc bike except for the hairpin. I try and use gear change(down-change) to slow the bike down into all other corners. But yeah, I really do think that if you get the hairpin correct you can easily knock a second off your lap times.

Very nice job there with your video BlackHeart... Well done mate! 

Hawk.

[Meyer#12]

Really good lap Blacky! I do it little differently which seems to work for me.

But i see you now found the line trough first corner, where there is no bumps and the rest of that lap looked pretty damn good made! You can beat 0,5 of your lap at least! Trough hairpin, if you get the perfect line + exit, but that is also about luck in that corner

All in all a really good lap with good help for rookies!

Ps. Sorry i never posted a video of my lap, i am not good at making videos or anything, not a computer whiz here, i am more a racer whiz lol!

[Hawk]

Really good lap Blacky! I do it little differently which seems to work for me.

But i see you now found the line trough first corner, where there is no bumps and the rest of that lap looked pretty damn good made! You can beat 0,5 of your lap at least! Trough hairpin, if you get the perfect line + exit, but that is also about luck in that corner

All in all a really good lap with good help for rookies!

Ps. Sorry i never posted a video of my lap, i am not good at making videos or anything, not a computer whiz here, i am more a racer whiz lol!

I can assure you that there is no bumps at that point in the track surface; if you try other good mod bikes they will show you that you can take that section anyway you like without a washout. The deduction must therefore be that it is either a tyre physics problem(as you know there is a problem with the tyre physics temperature rate simulation on certain bikes), a setup problem(doubtful), or a bike physics problem(Likely).

It's the same with the hairpin at "Mallory Park 1978": Some bikes are very stable and smooth around the hairpin(with the correct setup), others are terrible handling around the hairpin(no matter what setup you try) - Therefore again, it's got to be a bike physics problem. 

Don't get me wrong.... If anyone can prove otherwise I'm well open to them pointing out the facts so that I can remedy anything in the track surface that is causing problems, but in this case having looked at the facts and evidence, I think you'll find I'm correct. 

Hawk.

[Meyer#12]

I can assure you that there is no bumps at that point in the track surface; if you try other good mod bikes they will show you that you can take that section anyway you like without a washout. The deduction must therefore be that it is either a tyre physics problem(as you know there is a problem with the tyre physics temperature rate simulation on certain bikes), a setup problem(doubtful), or a bike physics problem(Likely).

It's the same with the hairpin at "Mallory Park 1978": Some bikes are very stable and smooth around the hairpin(with the correct setup), others are terrible handling around the hairpin(no matter what setup you try) - Therefore again, it's got to be a bike physics problem. 

Don't get me wrong.... If anyone can prove otherwise I'm well open to them pointing out the facts so that I can remedy anything in the track surface that is causing problems, but in this case having looked at the facts and evidence, I think you'll find I'm correct. 

Hawk.

I see what you mean and it doesn't look like there is a bump, but at that exact spot on the track, every time i go there or others go there, the front slips.

To mee, it looks like the front tyre, gets a little knock out of position and then slides away.

I am sure, that on most bikes, this won't do a lot, because they are more stable over small bumps. I had few problems on the 500cc there too, seem like the bike got a small wobble. I can't prove it is a bump or whatever it is, but there is something there that makes the front slip when still full lean just 0,5-1 meter closer to the inside, nothing happens and crossing the middle earlier or before, nothing happens either.. I can't say it is not something about the tyre temp, that is weird.

But to me, that place on track something happens

And not criticising track at all! love this track and you have done a really good job with it!

[Hawk]

I can assure you that there is no bumps at that point in the track surface; if you try other good mod bikes they will show you that you can take that section anyway you like without a washout. The deduction must therefore be that it is either a tyre physics problem(as you know there is a problem with the tyre physics temperature rate simulation on certain bikes), a setup problem(doubtful), or a bike physics problem(Likely).

It's the same with the hairpin at "Mallory Park 1978": Some bikes are very stable and smooth around the hairpin(with the correct setup), others are terrible handling around the hairpin(no matter what setup you try) - Therefore again, it's got to be a bike physics problem. 

Don't get me wrong.... If anyone can prove otherwise I'm well open to them pointing out the facts so that I can remedy anything in the track surface that is causing problems, but in this case having looked at the facts and evidence, I think you'll find I'm correct. 

Hawk.

I see what you mean and it doesn't look like there is a bump, but at that exact spot on the track, every time i go there or others go there, the front slips.

To mee, it looks like the front tyre, gets a little knock out of position and then slides away.

I am sure, that on most bikes, this won't do a lot, because they are more stable over small bumps. I had few problems on the 500cc there too, seem like the bike got a small wobble. I can't prove it is a bump or whatever it is, but there is something there that makes the front slip when still full lean just 0,5-1 meter closer to the inside, nothing happens and crossing the middle earlier or before, nothing happens either.. I can't say it is not something about the tyre temp, that is weird.

But to me, that place on track something happens

And not criticising track at all! love this track and you have done a really good job with it!

No, no.... no worries mate. I know your not criticising the track at all, your just pointing out an issue that occurs at that point in the track with the 125cc bike. 

I know it is a weird issue because I, and like you say, many others if not all others get the same issue at that point in the track surface(it's exactly like hitting an oil patch isn't it. Lol)....... I personally believe it is a combination of an issue with the tyre temps/physics and bike physics issue with the narrower tyres the 125cc bike has. Could even be an issue with the collision detection model? Maybe the collision detection model still needs optimising because another thing I've noticed is that at the hairpin, if your right behind someone and they fall it often seems that you fall as well for no apparent reason....... I'm sure before beta 6 this issue didn't happen at all. So maybe it could just be optimisation needed to polish things up?

Hawk.

[Napalm Nick]

These discussions are very good I think. We all learn something.

Maybe we just reach the limit of the bikes ability at that point. If this one was cured then it would be the next and next until finally we can take the hairpin at 100mph and say the bike handles pretty good.

Don't get me wrong, I think there is an issue with the bike but thinking the bikes ability has been reached keeps me smiling.   

[Meyer#12]

No, no.... no worries mate. I know your not criticising the track at all, your just pointing out an issue that occurs at that point in the track with the 125cc bike. 

I know it is a weird issue because I, and like you say, many others if not all others get the same issue at that point in the track surface(it's exactly like hitting an oil patch isn't it. Lol)....... I personally believe it is a combination of an issue with the tyre temps/physics and bike physics issue with the narrower tyres the 125cc bike has. Could even be an issue with the collision detection model? Maybe the collision detection model still needs optimising because another thing I've noticed is that at the hairpin, if your right behind someone and they fall it often seems that you fall as well for no apparent reason....... I'm sure before beta 6 this issue didn't happen at all. So maybe it could just be optimisation needed to polish things up?

Hawk.
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yeah, that might be the problem. Seems like the front just slips there, exactly like if there was an oil patch or just a tiny little bump.

But i guess you are right, must be somet physics problem. I think a problem with the 125GP is also the lean angle, it is a bit too high compared to what you would and could do in the real life, this seems to be the reason for front sliding in many other corners and on pretty much ANY other track..
I think this problem can be sorted, when the riding style customization comes, because you would then be able to use rider weight more and make it more like the real riding of the smaller bikes, where lean angle is little less and you use your body instead

[Meyer#12]

And i agree with you Nick, we are pretty close to the limit of this bike, and that is why we have so many problems. We are not meant to go 46 times on a 125GP bike here, but because of the little higher lean angle than normal and the great track, we can do it!

Everybody is on the limit while doing times from 46 to mid 47 times, as this bike is so easy to get into it's limit at tracks where there is not big bump issue

I personally don't think this is a bad bike at all! It is just made so we can lean it too much, if people would just sometimes lift it a bit, so we don't lean to maximum, you can get this around many tracks quite easily and still pretty fast!