750cc 2 stroke "X" Class bikeMODS???

[doubledragoncc]

Why do electronics get you guys all in a tizzy? They can be turned OFF FFS so it is in keeping with being modern and caters for ALL not just YOU!!!

DD

[HornetMaX]

BTW you should just have taken the varese as it is, renamed it to "vaese_v594_2s_R_Betta" (or something), swapped the tyres for the 990's ones (might want to check the radius and adapt) and multiplied the engine torque curve by 1.26 (= 177KW / 140KW). Job done. If you're really really picky, multiply by 1.26 also the engine brake curve.

I'm not that stupid I did start with that but the bike handled terribly. The bike wouldn't turn and was unnatural to ride.

But why it would handle terribly just giving it a more powerful engine with no other change ?!

P.S.
Anybody needing a Tron bike ? Cause I can make you one in 15min flat.

210hp/4*5=262.5hp - 20 years ago...
Anyway, I know you're not being serious.

20 years ago, let's assume +2cv per year starting from 262cv, I'll take we can give her 302cv hands down.

[matty0l215]

BTW you should just have taken the varese as it is, renamed it to "vaese_v594_2s_R_Betta" (or something), swapped the tyres for the 990's ones (might want to check the radius and adapt) and multiplied the engine torque curve by 1.26 (= 177KW / 140KW). Job done. If you're really really picky, multiply by 1.26 also the engine brake curve.

I'm not that stupid I did start with that but the bike handled terribly. The bike wouldn't turn and was unnatural to ride.

But why it would handle terribly just giving it a more powerful engine with no other change ?!

The bike wouldn't turn and was unnatural to ride.

I don't know what did it but putting the rc990 wheel models on the bike helped.  With the original wheels, it didn't want to lean as far and was slugish to turn. Unless something went wrong putting the tyres on the bike which i then managed to fix without knowing putting the wheels on. This is how i felt the bike handled.

[doubledragoncc]

I love it matty good work bro.

Gotta come up with a good video and be sweet to Piboso lol

DD

[h106frp]

From my tinkering it seems that 'trail' is computed in game from the tyre file depending on wheel selection (tyre radius does not seem to be saved in .geom).

This has a big impact on trail measurement and so far seems to be one of the big factors controlling in-game physics. Try adding the different numbers in bikeED and see what values you get back.

[matty0l215]

From my tinkering it seems that 'trail' is computed in game from the tyre file depending on wheel selection (tyre radius does not seem to be saved in .geom).

This has a big impact on trail measurement and so far seems to be one of the big factors controlling in-game physics. Try adding the different numbers in bikeED and see what values you get back.

Could be, i don't know enough about each individual value (maybe with some documentation we might know Nudge Nudge)

The only logical thing i could think of is how the tyre data was implemented on the actual model in game (the v594 wheel is a different shape to the rc990) but thats just a theory

[HornetMaX]

I don't know what did it but putting the rc990 wheel models on the bike helped.  With the original wheels, it didn't want to lean as far and was slugish to turn. Unless something went wrong putting the tyres on the bike which i then managed to fix without knowing putting the wheels on. This is how i felt the bike handled.

Just looking at the geometric parameters of the rear tyre of the 990 vs the varese: radius / torus radius are 0.325 / 0.13 for the 990 and 0.305 / 0.13 for the varese (width is the same for both, 60).

So what you should do is take the 990 tyre and change its geometric params (Radius and TorusRadius) to match the ones of the varese . You will have a tyre that performs like the 990 tyre (roughly speaking, same grip), but has the same dimensions as the varese original tyre. Do the same for the front and you're done (well, if you want different tyre types like quali, soft, med etc you'll have to do the same operation multiple times). it won't be very realistic probably, but I'm not sure realism is a concern here 

If you just put the 990 tyre on the varese, due to the different sizes you alter the overall geometry: probably a bad idea.

From my tinkering it seems that 'trail' is computed in game from the tyre file depending on wheel selection (tyre radius does not seem to be saved in .geom).

This has a big impact on trail measurement and so far seems to be one of the big factors controlling in-game physics. Try adding the different numbers in bikeED and see what values you get back.

Of course, wheel radius will affect trail (bigger radius, bigger trail, if it was positive to start with).
Notice however that I think trail per se is only computed to be shown to you: the physics does not know about trail, it's implicit in the model.

[Hawk]

Why do electronics get you guys all in a tizzy? They can be turned OFF FFS so it is in keeping with being modern and caters for ALL not just YOU!!!

DD

You ask why DD? Simply because they take away from the real riding skills of great riders compared to lesser capable riders in which they improve their performance from what it would be in reality.

But no... Electronics should be totally banned in my opinion simply because they aid a riders performance, and a rider should have to rely totally on their own skills "un-aided".... In a way it is a form of cheating the heart, soul and spirit of motorcycle racing or any sports that use electronic aids. 

If an athlete takes a performance aiding substance they are banned from the sport... Then why should any aids be allowed in motorsport that aid a riders performance? Get my drift? 

Now bring on the disagreements! I know there will be many!  Hehe 

Hawk.

[doubledragoncc]

Okay, but why should people who are just learning this sim have to suffer the fact that in real life its there but because Hawk dont want it, they cant have it. Sorry but this is not YOUR sim it is for everyone.

DONT get all upset I am using you as an example, but it runs true. You have to remember and ACCEPT that Piboso and modders are kind enough to do much work and try to cater for everyone. If the world produced products purely based on personal preference life would suck buddy.

I tried the V750X with and without electronics on as it interests me, I used to ride with them all on as I am new, but thanks to you guys AND having them to start with I am weening myself off of them.

If GPB was the way YOU want it, it would not sell very well as many would not be able to ride straight away due to the learning curve.

I just dont see the point in bitching about something that can be turned off, why should it be banned just because you think so, sorry but it is a selfish attitude to have. YOU are not a selfish person and put so much into GPB for us all, it quite surprises me that you would want such a thing.

Well thats me 2 cents and hope you dont think I am having a go at ya mate, just saying something is all.

Hope I dont get your front wheel up me bumhole or a Rossi lol.

Enjoy the MotoGP tonight folks

DD

[Vini]

Okay, but why should people who are just learning this sim have to suffer the fact that in real life its there but because Hawk dont want it, they cant have it. Sorry but this is not YOUR sim it is for everyone.

These people can practice their throttle control on the 500cc and then move up once they got it.

I just dont see the point in bitching about something that can be turned off, why should it be banned just because you think so, sorry but it is a selfish attitude to have. YOU are not a selfish person and put so much into GPB for us all, it quite surprises me that you would want such a thing.

Well, once again, the whole point of this "X class" is to have bikes that are fundamentally different to ride and require different skills to take advantage of their potential.
If you put all the electronics and the 990 tyres on the Varese, it will just end up riding like any other four stroke with low engine brake setting (and no power at low revs).
After a short period of time, people will have figured out which bike is faster and since the two stroke would not be harder to rider, everybody would end up on the same bike in races.

[doubledragoncc]

All is good in love and war lol

I fully understand what you mean, its only my way of thinking is for everyone as it may be some young kid who REALLY wants to get into this but it is just too far above him.

I aint fussed when it comes to it. I will try to ride a wheelie bin if it had an engine lol

DD

[HornetMaX]

@vin: if you don't need the 990 tires on your X bike, why don't you just raise the power curve to whatever you like ? That's not even a 5min job, it's a 2min one.

In your dreams of "modern" 2 strokes, it should probably have tyres as performing as the modern ones. So, in your own interest, I'd say it's fair for it to have tyres performing as the 990 ones (but geometrically identical to the varese's tyres).

Notice that on top of the engine part dreaming, this tyre part is dreaming too: it's unlikely that tyres as performing as the 990 ones could be built: they won't last as long with a much more abrupt power delivery and no TC. But again, that's not a problem for me: you're trying to model a bike that does not exist anyway, so there's no constraint.

[Napalm Nick]

Re Electronics
It would be OK if I could set the electrimical assists off (or even on) on servers so the racing would at least be fair but li'l Johnny can still ride it for practice with 'assists'. Better still he just dug in to his box of 'man-up' and put the time in to master something hard and feel some pride in him/herself. 

So if the 500s are the 'Unrideables' wtf will the 750's be???

[Vini]

@vin: if you don't need the 990 tires on your X bike, why don't you just raise the power curve to whatever you like ? That's not even a 5min job, it's a 2min one.

In your dreams of "modern" 2 strokes, it should probably have tyres as performing as the modern ones. So, in your own interest, I'd say it's fair for it to have tyres performing as the 990 ones (but geometrically identical to the varese's tyres).

Ah, yes, of course the bike needs better tyres. The Varese tyres would have absolutely no chance against Manu's MotoGP bikes or even the standard Mura.

Notice that on top of the engine part dreaming, this tyre part is dreaming too: it's unlikely that tyres as performing as the 990 ones could be built: they won't last as long with a much more abrupt power delivery and no TC. But again, that's not a problem for me: you're trying to model a bike that does not exist anyway, so there's no constraint.

Let it go, man.

[HornetMaX]

Let it go, man.

Let go what ? I'm trying to tell you how to achieve what you'd like to achieve, despite your messy explanations:

If you put all the electronics and the 990 tyres on the Varese, it will just end up riding like any other four stroke with low engine brake setting (and no power at low revs).

Ah, yes, of course the bike needs better tyres. The Varese tyres would have absolutely no chance against Manu's MotoGP bikes or even the standard Mura.