GP Bikes beta9b

[doubledragoncc]

OH great I only have to do 4 install of beta9b lol

Sorry guys but I have a lot to do today and will update the servers to beta9b asap today

DD

[doubledragoncc]

GP Bikes beta9b released:
http://www.gp-bikes.com/?page=news

Beta9b changelog:
fix: screen bigger than the monitor
fix: mouse pointer not reaching the bottom of the screen
fix: m_afSuspMaxTravel in SPluginsBikeEvent_t
new: front spring graph in physics debug mode, show the forces with coil alone and combined with air

Download:
http://www.gp-bikes.com/?page=downloads
( download mirrors would be extremely helpful and welcome )

Download mirror if you want Piboso:  http://www.mediafire.com/file/35auwubjjxy0igb/gpbikes-beta9b.exe

[Hawk]

I just want to point out that there are many that do like the new respawn system (apart from the being-stuck-glitch). The problem in your video should be adressed like MaX pointed out here. Then it is just fine.

The new system is as realistic as it can get without sacrificing replayability - for me it is a good compromise. It is a simulator for god's sake, so having to get from where the bike came to a halt on to the track again on your own is not asking too much imo. It is not even too realistic, as irl you often can not even continue after a crash, in GPB you always can. So for my taste, it could even be more realistic...

Edit @Hawk: It already is beta9b you mean a beta9c with the stuck-in-the-wall-glitch adressed?

+1000 Stout! Well said mate!

Yes, the "beta 9b" was a typo. Lol 

@Piboso: Any chance of also taking a look at the replay playback when time permits? The front wheels are still lifting off the ground when the bike is flicked from left to right through corners. I've not had chance to test beta9b myself to see if it's fixed yet; will check later. 

Hawk.

[doubledragoncc]

Error with the Aprillia in 9b so waiting for Pib to see if it is quick fix and then install severs

DD

[BOBR6 84]

Aprilia?? 

[JamoZ]

I can confirm that with this 9b update, xinput works again!

Thanks piboso

[HornetMaX]

So for my taste, it could even be more realistic...

Allright, keep a sledgehammer nearby when playing and the next time you crash you smash your keyboard, monitor, desk and computer and throw the pieces out the window.

Then you`ll have super realistic repair costs and time 

Jamoz (or iVo), can you answer this simple question: in your favourite car sim (AC, pCars, iRacing, rfacotr, whatever), when you "crash" / go off track during a race and the car stops somewhere, can you press a button and the sim will magically put you back on track in the right direction ?

[janaucarre]

Hi,
Thank you piboso for this new version.
I like the respawn system.
I like the riding style.
I like the bike grip and i feel more precision with the front wheel.
Ive not tried yet testing the suspension settings.
Only one problem that happens many times on each track i ride, i fall and the bike continues during minutes until i press esc to go back to the garage, it never happenned to me since 2 or 3 beta earlier.

Another thing that i must redo to see if it always happens: i was beginning a rainy session in local host and after 10 seconds the game crashed.
Thank you so much.

[JamoZ]

So for my taste, it could even be more realistic...

Allright, keep a sledgehammer nearby when playing and the next time you crash you smash your keyboard, monitor, desk and computer and throw the pieces out the window.

Then you`ll have super realistic repair costs and time 

Jamoz (or iVo), can you answer this simple question: in your favourite car sim (AC, pCars, iRacing, rfacotr, whatever), when you "crash" / go off track during a race and the car stops somewhere, can you press a button and the sim will magically put you back on track in the right direction ?

I cannot, but then i have ALOT more control over my car since i`m using a steering wheel. Also, i don`t crash..cheesj Max, who do you think i am 

[HornetMaX]

Jamoz (or iVo), can you answer this simple question: in your favourite car sim (AC, pCars, iRacing, rfacotr, whatever), when you "crash" / go off track during a race and the car stops somewhere, can you press a button and the sim will magically put you back on track in the right direction ?

I cannot, but then i have ALOT more control over my car since i`m using a steering wheel. Also, i don`t crash..cheesj Max, who do you think i am 

With a car sim you don't "crash" but you can run off track, hit a barrier and stall the engine.
In that situation, do you have a button to "respawn pointing in the right direction" (and eventually already on the rack) ?
If you really do not want to answer, I can do it for you if you: no, you don't have such a button.

How much control you have over the bike (with respect to the car) is not really relevant: even in GPB beta9, doing a low-speed u-turn on grass/sand is not rocket science. You just have to be gentle on the throttle. Do you mean you consider this too hard ?

BTW, as pointed out by others, you can still respawn "the old way": press the reset button and hold it for 3-4 seconds. You'll respawn (more or less) on track and in the right direction, just like before (i.e. you'll respawn only when the track is clear from other riders). So what's the problem here ? You want to respawn the old way ? You already can.

It's more people like me, Hawk and others that should complain as the "old way" respawn should (according to us) be disallowed at least in races (or should only be allowed in testing sessions).

[Stout Johnson]

I cannot, but then i have ALOT more control over my car since i`m using a steering wheel. Also, i don`t crash..cheesj Max, who do you think i am 

It is a legit question from MaX and your answer is not very convincing tbh. (Btw, your favorite sim AC is by no means a sim when it comes to crashes). Just be plain honest and admit you want to have an arcade reset system for the sake of having artificially close races. Next thing would be you ask for reset option while the bike is still sliding over the pavement, because that costs 2sec more you could be using to try to catch up to the riders in front of you. Next thing is you ask for a possibility to be reset on track with the same speed you crashed, so lose even less time in a crash and can start to battle with the guy in front of you immediately again.

If you want that, go play Valentino Rossi game online where there is no crash detection at all and you can enjoy your close battles no matter what. If you should find the need to do a sim again, come back to GPB.

[HornetMaX]

But we still love you Jamoz, so Stout's invitation to go play some ... uh, "less convincing bike game" is just provocation

To be honest, now that I've seen the "old way" respawn is still there, I think PiBoSo has wisely anticipated that the new (and more realistic) respawn could be controversial so he has kept both.
So for the ones that prefer the old respawn almost nothing has chnaged and for the ones that like the new respawn the solution is 99% perfect (personally I'd still argue that in races the old respawn should be disallowed, but I can live with it).

[JamoZ]

Well, didn`t knew you guys would be so serious about this, since it`s quite obvious i`m not. Guess it`s the age

To answer your question Max, no i can`t do the same in a car sim and no i wouldn`t use something like that.

Tonight i drove around 50 laps together with iVo, and we both came to the conclusion that the new respawn system is not ideal to put it that way. Yes we understand you guys that we should aim for as much realism as possible, but when realism becomes frustration it`s up for debate if you should go down that route.

It happened too often that my bike and rider were facing the other way, on the grass, which is all ok since i crashed and that`s where my bike ended up...no problem right? Well, if my rider tips over 3 times with even barely touching the controls and is now facing a complete other direction which is even harder to get back on track from, i think sacrifices have to be made because it`s clear that something is not right here...in real life you don`t magically fall over after touching your handle bars when standing still, so why would i have to live with it in GP bikes?

And i think we all know i`m more than capable of controlling my bike

I cannot, but then i have ALOT more control over my car since i`m using a steering wheel. Also, i don`t crash..cheesj Max, who do you think i am 

It is a legit question from MaX and your answer is not very convincing tbh. (Btw, your favorite sim AC is by no means a sim when it comes to crashes). Just be plain honest and admit you want to have an arcade reset system for the sake of having artificially close races. Next thing would be you ask for reset option while the bike is still sliding over the pavement, because that costs 2sec more you could be using to try to catch up to the riders in front of you. Next thing is you ask for a possibility to be reset on track with the same speed you crashed, so lose even less time in a crash and can start to battle with the guy in front of you immediately again.

If you want that, go play Valentino Rossi game online where there is no crash detection at all and you can enjoy your close battles no matter what. If you should find the need to do a sim again, come back to GPB.

I don`t know why you`re being so hostile, i never was? I play all kind of sims, from AC to GP bikes to DCS, so don`t talk to me about me wanting "arcade" stuff (arcade games are fun too!). If you want to go that route, go try DCS  and come back in 2 months when you figured out how to finally start your engines and then come back and talk about simulations...

Every sim out there takes some kind of shortcut here and there because in the end of the day, we`re still playing a game, on a screen, on a chair, with plastic toys in our hands...so why isn`t GP bikes allowed to do the same? (not that i`m saying it should)

Like you guys previously said, it`s a forum and everyone is allowed to have an opinion. Everyone here has some good points, and noone`s argument is more valid than others just because we disagree....

[Stout Johnson]

I don`t know why you`re being so hostile, i never was? I play all kind of sims, from AC to GP bikes to DCS, so don`t talk to me about me wanting "arcade" stuff (arcade games are fun too!). If you want to go that route, go try DCS  and come back in 2 months when you figured out how to finally start your engines and then come back and talk about simulations...

Every sim out there takes some kind of shortcut here and there because in the end of the day, we`re still playing a game, on a screen, on a chair, with plastic toys in our hands...so why isn`t GP bikes allowed to do the same? (not that i`m saying it should)

Like you guys previously said, it`s a forum and everyone is allowed to have an opinion. Everyone here has some good points, and noone`s argument is more valid than others just because we disagree....

If I come across hostile, then sorry for that. But you take the liberty to implement sarcastic comments here and there which could sometimes be hostile from that perspective. We should be able to discuss with honesty - but I guess it's the age (right back at ya ). So again, I don't mean to be hostile.

And of course you are entitled to your own opinion - I never challenged that. But I want to discuss with honesty and logic. If you say you want "A" then you want "A", there is no talking around it. And the way you want the reset (and the reasoning you give), it just is an arcadey concession you would prefer. Period. It is not bad or good, I do not judge that. But it does not fit the sim approach GPB stands for. And if you want that and if you feel that the higher sim approach deducts fun for you, then my simple advice is to use those games that are more fitting in that respect. One day you may want to ride a bike with a sim-approach and do GPB, another day you might be more in the mood for some more easy close racing (which can also be there in GPB, I have had that myself in the last couple of days) then choose a more arcadey game. That would be my advice. That is not hostile, that is my honest opinion.

Other approach could be to make a server admin option on which reset is allowed in a server, maybe?

And don't come with a comparison to DCS or anything like that. I am all-out sim freak. I do not mind whether it is rock-hard or if I suck big time. I'd rather have that and then feel the satisfaction of mastering something after wrapping my head around it.

[Hawk]

All I can say guys is that if your falling over trying to get back on track after a crash then your being to heavy fisted with the throttle in your eagerness to get back into the race..... You have to be very gentle with the throttle till you get going. 
I've only fell over once after a crash trying to get back onto the track, and that was because of some dodgy terrain surface that made my front end wash-out just as I got going. So you guys must be getting that panicky and frustrated when you crash that your rushing too much before you get going again.  Take it easy. Lol!

Having said that, I must admit that particularly the grass is very slippy, too slippy for reality in my opinion. The sand.... Well you expect sand to be very dodgy to get out of for obvious reasons, but you can manage both quite adequately without getting frustrated if you take great care with your throttle until you get going. 

Hawk.