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Started by Myst1cPrun3, January 13, 2020, 09:56:00 PM
Quote from: Manu on January 15, 2020, 02:33:08 PMSo to be fair all riders should ride the same bike. Otherwise, applying your rationing we face a scam. In motogp the best rider does not win, the best machine-rider combination wins. Therefore it does not compete on equal terms. On paper all the bikes meet the requirements but in practice those who can spend more money are those who have a chance to win. So we are no longer talking about a sport where the human faces another on equal terms to demonstrate his skills. No matter how skilled you are since without a competitive mount you can never win.
Quote from: Docfumi on January 15, 2020, 10:26:15 AMI think all the rider aids are hurting the sport a bit because now it's like watching arcade racing when we all want to see REAL racing. I mean think about it, as far as MotoGP goes we see a lot fewer high-sides and a lot less tank slappers which are a true thing of the past, and I feel these are good things but it makes racing look boring to the point I have to think why even have gears, oh wait! MotoE is here already. I want to see guys work the bike around the track for 26 laps, I want to see riders come from nine seconds back and win the race (not just Marquez). It was nice to see Fabio20 fight up the front but much like Zarco5 he could not get the job done and I started thinking this is really BS! Everyone is screaming that the ECU and other rider aids are killing the sport. I think it all comes down to the tyres and how good you set your bike up around them. Sure some bikes work better than others depending on the track and even the rider sometimes but most of it is that all bikes are on tyres and they only have two days to test them before the race, for F*ck sake every weekend a new compound. Again I call BULLSH*T! It's one thing to make a sport safe and another thing to castrate it.
Quote from: Myst1cPrun3 on January 15, 2020, 03:41:09 PMHowever once again, can we get back to the topic of 2 Stoke technology and it's feasibility in today's age? Not electronics.While I respect this is a forum and I respect people's right to post in it, and debate, I ask you have the respect to keep to the original topic.Or I will just lock it
Quote from: Manu on January 15, 2020, 05:16:02 PMI don't try to be facetious. It is difficult to express something in a different language. Maybe you didn't understand what I said.However, I was not talking about my opinion but what you are trying to say.You say it stops being a sport because riders can't measure their real abilities. In that case the only way to measure real skills is with the same machine.Anyway I will not talk more about this subject since it is not going anywhere. For me it is no longer a debate when a person is unable to accept the opinion of another and only wants to impose their own.
Quote from: Myst1cPrun3 on January 15, 2020, 04:38:57 PMIn the right areas feel free to speak what you want, but on these forums, and others, proper etiquette and manners apply .As someone who loves the older times you should know manners cost nothing But as usual, I love debates with you Hawky, always entertaining and fun
Quote from: Hawk on January 15, 2020, 06:25:55 PMYes. I forgot that English is not your first language, my apologies for any misunderstandings Manu. You know me mate, no harm or disrespect was intended. All I'm trying to say is for MotoGP to get back to being a true sport again, were it's a competition between riders natural ability married with bike and the manufacturers machinery design and team skills and not aided via electronic rider aids controlled via computers in real-time which takes away some of the natural skills a good or great rider possesses..... Putting them on the same bikes would cut out the manufacturers role as such in competing for the manufacturers championship, and including electronic rider aids cuts out the sporting spirit of riders pitting their own skills against one another, that's all I'm saying. The fact that we don't agree just points out the same problem that politicians have when debating and also the reason they rarely end up changing their minds or agreeing on political issues.... It's not about getting someone to accept your opinion and it's certainly not about trying to impose an opinion on someone else at all(that point of view could be seen from both sides of the debate). If we cannot agree then we'll just agree to disagree mate, nothing wrong with that.