Brexit or not ?

[HornetMaX]

Wishing us out because of some Island protection clauses is a bit harsh isn't it?

Just to reinstate how (not) harsh that would be: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/23/real-threat-britain-borders-flow-dirty-money-eu

Disregard the conclusion (they guy wants you to stay), just soak-in the facts about money laundering, tax evasion, absence of mafia association crime, ...

In case you don't know who this guy is, he's done some pretty ballsy stuff when he was still in Italy (of course he had to flee it due to permanent death threats): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberto_Saviano

[HornetMaX]

Always thought that people that "play the gallery" just explain it better

Unfortunate that Coluche is no longer here to discuss this

https://www.youtube.com/v/iAgKHSNqxa8

[h106frp]

Wishing us out because of some Island protection clauses is a bit harsh isn't it?

Just to reinstate how (not) harsh that would be: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/23/real-threat-britain-borders-flow-dirty-money-eu

Disregard the conclusion (they guy wants you to stay), just soak-in the facts about money laundering, tax evasion, absence of mafia association crime, ...

In case you don't know who this guy is, he's done some pretty ballsy stuff when he was still in Italy (of course he had to flee it due to permanent death threats): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberto_Saviano

But France get a worse corruption score than the UK in the links

[HornetMaX]

But France get a worse corruption score than the UK in the links

I guess that was the point being made by the 1st paragraph: "True, the latest report from Transparency International, in 2015, put the UK in the top 10 cleanest countries in the world. Yet corruption has crept in, in the form of investments, many of which are the profits of illegal activity.". So on the surface all is clear and legal, but not so much when you dig.

[h106frp]

True, the London property price bubble is fueled by 'foreign investors'

Again, not much of this 'wealth' feeds back to the rest of the country though    It just another thing that is pricing the average citizen out of the country.

[CapeDoctor]

being as it's looking set to be an extremely close call, either way it goes, you're going to end up with half the country upset, and the other happy.... 

[h106frp]

The real issue for the UK will be the next general election - expect backlash voting especially as all the suppressed news from the last months starts to leak out.
The familiar government(s) only survived last time due to the peculiar way votes are converted into parliamentary seats in the UK and may not survive the next one if they anger too many of whichever side gets their way in the EU vote.

[girlracerTracey]

Brexit is 'not deliverable', says David Cameron's father-in-law

"Lord Astor, who is Samantha Cameron's step-father, has said that a Brexit would have "no legal standing" even if the public vote to leave the 28 member bloc in June."

"If the Brexiteers win, an exit from the EU is actually not deliverable. The EU referendum is merely advisory; it has no legal standing to force an exit."

"Parliament is still sovereign. We will need an Act of Parliament to revoke the European Communities Act 1972, by which Britain joined the EEC or Common Market, or perhaps a paving bill enabling the Government to start the Leave negotiations. But whatever, a vote will be required."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/07/brexit-is-not-deliverable-says-david-camerons-father-in-law/

[Hawk]

The real issue for the UK will be the next general election - expect backlash voting especially as all the suppressed news from the last months starts to leak out.
The familiar government(s) only survived last time due to the peculiar way votes are converted into parliamentary seats in the UK and may not survive the next one if they anger too many of whichever side gets their way in the EU vote.

I think many people listened too much to the Tories in the last general election about the scare-mongering of the SNP winning the election. LOL 

If people used their heads then they would realise that even in a general election they are only voting for their regional party and not for the whole country when polling their votes, so unless you lived in Scotland the SNP were never going to have any chance of winning their regional vote and yet a lot of people voted Tory because they thought that would stop any chance of the SNP gaining power.... How dumb can some people be! Lol      

Hawk.

[Hawk]

Brexit is 'not deliverable', says David Cameron's father-in-law

"Lord Astor, who is Samantha Cameron's step-father, has said that a Brexit would have "no legal standing" even if the public vote to leave the 28 member bloc in June."

"If the Brexiteers win, an exit from the EU is actually not deliverable. The EU referendum is merely advisory; it has no legal standing to force an exit."

"Parliament is still sovereign. We will need an Act of Parliament to revoke the European Communities Act 1972, by which Britain joined the EEC or Common Market, or perhaps a paving bill enabling the Government to start the Leave negotiations. But whatever, a vote will be required."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/07/brexit-is-not-deliverable-says-david-camerons-father-in-law/

Well Cameron did state that the result of the referendum would have to go to a vote in parliament, so I guess that will be what that is about.... But that'll just be procedure.... I doubt any MP would be brave enough to defy the will of the British Public after a referendum has been made. Otherwise the whole political system would be regarded as a total joke! Not that it already isn't of course. Lol

Hawk.

[matty0l215]

Brexit is 'not deliverable', says David Cameron's father-in-law

"Lord Astor, who is Samantha Cameron's step-father, has said that a Brexit would have "no legal standing" even if the public vote to leave the 28 member bloc in June."

"If the Brexiteers win, an exit from the EU is actually not deliverable. The EU referendum is merely advisory; it has no legal standing to force an exit."

"Parliament is still sovereign. We will need an Act of Parliament to revoke the European Communities Act 1972, by which Britain joined the EEC or Common Market, or perhaps a paving bill enabling the Government to start the Leave negotiations. But whatever, a vote will be required."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/07/brexit-is-not-deliverable-says-david-camerons-father-in-law/

Well Cameron did state that the result of the referendum would have to go to a vote in parliament, so I guess that will be what that is about.... But that'll just be procedure.... I doubt any MP would be brave enough to defy the will of the British Public after a referendum has been made. Otherwise the whole political system would be regarded as a total joke! Not that it already isn't of course. Lol

Hawk.

Would be?!?

[Napalm Nick]

Time will now tell.

I am a bit concerned the official 'marker' was a pencil??? Not even kidding!

[CapeDoctor]

seriously, Nick?
jeez, i'd be a little worried about that, especially with such a seemingly closely run referendum.... 

[matty0l215]

Balls to that i've got a pen

[girlracerTracey]

If at first you don't succeed..



Interesting there are no exit polls operating on this one. Oh well, we'll all just have to wait for the "grand" and "final" result to be officially declared..

grT