(WIP)Test - Tyre Grip Tuning for the 500cc Varase....

[girlracerTracey]

Hi Hawk and others. Well I am going to carry on testing the different alternatives that I have, including beta 3 and Hawk's alternative tyre models.

By the way Max all the earlier beta versions of gpbikes are still available for download via this link:
http://www.gp-bikescz.com/en/downloads-71.html

I haven't got much to show anyone if I am honest but using Beta 3 I am getting a few short slides. But I don't think they are of the magnitude that you are interested in seeing Hawk. If by any extreme chance I achieve anything more sexy and exciting I'll let you know and post a video. Don't hold your breath though! 

I think it is to the credit of everyone of this forum that a controversial subject such as this with strong opinions on either side of the debate can still discussed in a friendly and relaxed manner. I have to say I am impressed by the conduct and humour of all you guys on the forum. Compared to some forums I have been on in the past this place is a breath of fresh air. Joking apart it really is.

As you guys know my own admittedly novice's opinion is that the transition from not sliding the rear to sliding it is a bit too severe and sudden. That is just my opinion however and nothing more. I fully accept that. I am going to carry on testing and acclimatising myself to the "game" and to the 500s and see if I can begin to emulate what others are achieving.

As  a final comment from me on this if any change is to made in the future I strongly suspect that there is not a single aspect of the physics model that if adjusted will provide a solution. I think any meaningful change would only come about as a result of adjusting a number of parameters in the physics model which combined might produce the desired result.

Thank you Hawk for making the effort to conduct this experiment and let us all sample your work in this respect.

Best to all, grT 

[JamoZ]

@JamoZ
how were the brakes better in beta3? 

Braking late is (was) my strongest point in GPB. In beta 3 i was able to outbrake almost anyone on any point of the track, i have lost all the feeling for it with the new braking "simulation" I can`t lay my finger on it, but it changed in a way that i lost all my trust in the brakes.

Oh well, you just have to tell us which other thing makes you out-something anyone on any point of the track, so that we can ask for them in beta5 !

Sounds legit

MaX.

[Hawk]

I think it is to the credit of everyone of this forum that a controversial subject such as this with strong opinions on either side of the debate can still discussed in a friendly and relaxed manner. I have to say I am impressed by the conduct and humour of all you guys on the forum. Compared to some forums I have been on in the past this place is a breath of fresh air. Joking apart it really is.

+1
This is the best forum I've ever known. All the guys here are sensible, friendly, can have a good laugh, and are always willing to help each other.

As  a final comment from me on this if any change is to made in the future I strongly suspect that there is not a single aspect of the physics model that if adjusted will provide a solution. I think any meaningful change would only come about as a result of adjusting a number of parameters in the physics model which combined might produce the desired result.

Thank you Hawk for making the effort to conduct this experiment and let us all sample your work in this respect.

Best to all, grT 

I agree.... I feel that we will only see the polished version of the physics engine that will hopefully allow the full range of a bikes handling when Piboso releases version 1.0 of GBP.

Thanks for your posts & comments Tracey and I'll be taking a keen interest on any experiments you do and post here. 

Hawk.

[HornetMaX]

Oh well, you just have to tell us which other thing makes you out-something anyone on any point of the track, so that we can ask for them in beta5 !

Sounds legit

shakyenglishmeme.com ? 

No wait ... was it intentional ? 

MaX.

[Vini]

The videos: Don't get me wrong guys, I agree they are showing a power slide(no doubt about that) but only little tiny ones and you don't have to be a top rider to do those kind of power slides in GPB as I do them often(and I'm crap!Hehe), especially on Mallory Park 1978 through the ESSES it's quite easy to do a little power slide to turn your bike into the corners, but try to do a constant controlled power slide through a long bend like Spectator corner and for me it's not possible

I couldn't agree more with you.

[Hawk]

The videos: Don't get me wrong guys, I agree they are showing a power slide(no doubt about that) but only little tiny ones and you don't have to be a top rider to do those kind of power slides in GPB as I do them often(and I'm crap!Hehe), especially on Mallory Park 1978 through the ESSES it's quite easy to do a little power slide to turn your bike into the corners, but try to do a constant controlled power slide through a long bend like Spectator corner and for me it's not possible

I couldn't agree more with you.

Thank you, Vin! 

Hawk.

[Hawk]

These are words from the great man himself who truly knows what a real 500cc GP bike is like to ride.

Listen from 1:22 and Freddie Spencer describes very well what a 500cc GP bike should feel like through a long sweeper when trying to apply more throttle.
As far as I'm concerned the 500 in GP Bikes is not anywhere near this description, and Freddie is talking about 1980's GP 500 bikes here not the more powerful later bikes.

http://www.youtube.com/v/UwxqfkuW8rg


Hawk.

[girlracerTracey]

These are words from the great man himself who truly knows what a real 500cc GP bike is like to ride.

Listen from 1:22 and Freddie Spencer describes very well what a 500cc GP bike should feel like through a long sweeper when trying to apply more throttle.
As far as I'm concerned the 500 in GP Bikes is not anywhere near this description, and Freddie is talking about 1980's GP 500 bikes here not the more powerful later bikes.

http://www.youtube.com/v/UwxqfkuW8rg


Hawk.

Exactly! It's not about taking a "run" at it and loading up the rear to a ridiculous degree..it's about just opening the "goddam" throttle!   

(N.B. tongue in cheek comment on my part)

My father raced a square four 2-stroke RG Suzuki and said exactly the same thing.. squeeze it too much and you'll highside. Squeeze it too little and nothing happens. Squeeze it just right and the back end will start spinning..

That's what he said..

grT 

P.S. one thing I notice in gpbikes is that the rear wheel slides in the videos have a tendency to swing back the other way. Sort of over-correct themselves. That's a rear wheel slide in real life that is out of control. A controlled rear wheel power-slide in real life doesn't do that..the rear wheel comes back in line smoothly with proper throttle control. At the end of the power-slide. Otherwise in real life you're not doing it properly..

[Vini]

P.S. one thing I notice in gpbikes is that the rear wheel slides in the videos have a tendency to swing back the other way. Sort of over-correct themselves. That's a rear wheel slide in real life that is out of control. A controlled rear wheel power-slide in real life doesn't do that..the rear wheel comes back in line smoothly with proper throttle control. At the end of the power-slide. Otherwise in real life you're not doing it properly..

[BOBR6 84]

Well.. I agree with everybodys point of view to be honest.. I think its pretty good already but theres no doubt it could be better!

Its a good thing that people play around and try different things.. It is a Beta (wip) afterall..

I reckon we should wait for piboso to fix the tyre radious vs rpm first though!
If you disagree.. fine!
But im convinced it will make a difference to the physics.. Especially on cornering grip, throttle response etc..

[girlracerTracey]

I reckon we should wait for piboso to fix the tyre radious vs rpm first though!
If you disagree.. fine!
But im convinced it will make a difference to the physics.. Especially on cornering grip, throttle response etc..

I think there could be something potentially quite useful in that as well Bob. 

Have you been racing for real this weekend by the way?

grT

P.S. I love this forum!

[BOBR6 84]

Nope.. Next race is the 28th-29th of this month.. Had a month of no racing! 
Raging to go!! New tyres, new suspension, new paintjob!! 

[Hawk]

Well.. I agree with everybodys point of view to be honest.. I think its pretty good already but theres no doubt it could be better!

Its a good thing that people play around and try different things.. It is a Beta (wip) afterall..

I reckon we should wait for piboso to fix the tyre radious vs rpm first though!
If you disagree.. fine!
But im convinced it will make a difference to the physics.. Especially on cornering grip, throttle response etc..

Hi Bob.

Oh not to worry..... I'm sure those of us trying to convince others of certain things that need doing with the 500cc physics are not suggesting that it's the holy grail for GP Bikes and is the one thing that absolutely must be fixed first and foremost, not at all...... These are just fact based suggestions that we just hope Piboso will recognise and take on board for his "To-Do" list. That is all. 

It will certainly be interesting to see what difference the fix of the Tyre radius/rpm will make to the handling of the bikes, for sure.
But If I personally was to put one thing as an absolute priority for fixing, it would be to stabilise GP Bikes while riding online from the "core.exe" crashes people experience. But that is a difficult one as I believe most "Core.exe's" come from poor circuit/track meshes(99.9% of which come from ripped circuits that are poorly cleaned up after the ripping process). I think people who are blaming GP Bikes for these core.exe's are probably doing Piboso and GP BIkes a huge injustice.

Hawk.

[BOBR6 84]

Yeah thats true.. I was well up for a couple of hours online today but I switched it off in the end.. Had 5 core exe's on the redbull ring  shame because its an awesome circuit! When other players join it stutters and sometimes freezes too though?

[HornetMaX]

But If I personally was to put one thing as an absolute priority for fixing, it would be to stabilise GP Bikes while riding online from the "core.exe" crashes people experience. But that is a difficult one as I believe most "Core.exe's" come from poor circuit/track meshes(99.9% of which come from ripped circuits that are poorly cleaned up after the ripping process). I think people who are blaming GP Bikes for these core.exe's are probably doing Piboso and GP BIkes a huge injustice.

I fully agree with your priorities Hawk, but I wouldn't go as far as saying the "core.exe" problem comes from poor tracks.

Sure, a poor track doesn't help, but we know for sure it's not the only explanation. If it was, Piboso would surely had already told us so I hope.

Also, as a general rule, software should never ever crash in an unspecified manner. Admittedly, for stuff like GPB this is hard to enforce, but ...

MaX.