[WIP for the AGV] Rossi Sepang winter test helmet

[Blackheart]

[Hawk]

EEEeek!!! That is just UGLY!!! Ban them quick!! Lol 

They need to start making rules of helmet size and dimensions before the slipstreaming designers give us even more ugly helmets to see.... Does anyone find that nice to look at??? 

What is the world coming too. LOL

Hawk.

[Blackheart]

LOL u re a oldman Hawk!  We young people love these things!

Like this:

[matty0l215]

EEEeek!!! That is just UGLY!!! Ban them quick!! Lol 

They need to start making rules of helmet size and dimensions before the slipstreaming designers give us even more ugly helmets to see.... Does anyone find that nice to look at??? 

What is the world coming too. LOL

Hawk.

Let me guess you're an Arai fan... a bloody ball on your head

I love the AGV helmets but I love my X-Lite more

[Hawk]

LOL u re a oldman Hawk!  We young people love these things!

Like this:

OHHHHH!! NOOOOOooooo!!!! PLEASE NOOOOOOOOoooooooooo!!!!!!  The humpback leathers were bad enough, but please not the helmets now tooo!  

C'mon FIM..... Ban then quick before it's too late!! 

Haven't any of you young ones got any decent taste nowadays? 

This has got to be a nightmare! I'll wake up soon and sanity will have resumed! Hehe! 

Hawk
PS: Old-School is always best. 

[Hawk]

EEEeek!!! That is just UGLY!!! Ban them quick!! Lol 

They need to start making rules of helmet size and dimensions before the slipstreaming designers give us even more ugly helmets to see.... Does anyone find that nice to look at??? 

What is the world coming too. LOL

Hawk.

Let me guess you're an Arai fan... a bloody ball on your head

I love the AGV helmets but I love my X-Lite more

Just very "Old-School". Lol

But I mean seriously, if helmets get weirdly shaped through slipstream design they'll end up breaking a riders neck when their rolling down the road after crashing and all those silly protrusions start snagging the road or other peripheral objects it comes into contact with..... A smooth shaped normal helmet is a common sense practical, and above all, safest design for a helmet. 

Hawk.

[HornetMaX]

They need to start making rules of helmet size and dimensions before the slipstreaming designers give us even more ugly helmets to see.... Does anyone find that nice to look at??? 

At 340+ Kmh, fashion is not a big factor I guess

[Meyer#12]

i don't think they would compromise safety for looks  i can only say that i feel safer wearing the new technology helmets over the old ones, have tested crashing with both older helmets and new, and there definetly is a difference in, and it have only gone in the right direction but i would also choose safety over design any time, but when those two go hand in hand, it is just perfect!

[Hawk]

Hmmm..... I'd be interested in just how much faster these gimmicky slipstreamed leathers and helmet designs make a rider go down the longest straight in the MotoGP Calender..... I suspect the advantage over a rider who wore "Old School" Leathers and helmet is very negligible to be of any real advantage that couldn't be easily negated with a little later braking or touch more riding skill from the "Old School" rider.

I mean I could understand these sort of designs for speed ski-ing or the like because unpowered speed and time is the key, but racing is about more than just speed; as we all know that the fastest bike is not always the rider that wins a race. So surely these ugly slipstream protrusions cannot make such a massive difference? They are indeed just a fashion and therefore a money making gimmick in my opinion..... No real advantage at all I'd say. 

What will be next? The speed ski boots too? Lol


Is this the MotoGP rider leathers, helmet and boots for next season? Seems this is the way they are going. EEEeeek!!!! Only a mother could love that look! Lol 



But seriously. Who on earth wants to see Moto GP riders in this type of gear, because this is what will happen if they don't stamp this rider slipstreaming styling out soon. 

Hawk.

[matty0l215]

EEEeek!!! That is just UGLY!!! Ban them quick!! Lol 

They need to start making rules of helmet size and dimensions before the slipstreaming designers give us even more ugly helmets to see.... Does anyone find that nice to look at??? 

What is the world coming too. LOL

Hawk.

Let me guess you're an Arai fan... a bloody ball on your head

I love the AGV helmets but I love my X-Lite more

Just very "Old-School". Lol

But I mean seriously, if helmets get weirdly shaped through slipstream design they'll end up breaking a riders neck when their rolling down the road after crashing and all those silly protrusions start snagging the road or other peripheral objects it comes into contact with..... A smooth shaped normal helmet is a common sense practical, and above all, safest design for a helmet. 

Hawk.

But a human head isn't perfectly round either

Yes there is a limit but as meyer said. They arn't going to sacrifice saftey for looks. They all have to pass the same tests so they must be as safe as eachother (within reason obviously)

Also i cant afford to buy a £500-600 arai   

[matty0l215]

Hmmm..... I'd be interested in just how much faster these gimmicky slipstreamed leathers and helmet designs make a rider go down the longest straight in the MotoGP Calender..... I suspect the advantage over a rider who wore "Old School" Leathers and helmet is very negligible to be of any real advantage that couldn't be easily negated with a little later braking or touch more riding skill from the "Old School" rider.

I mean I could understand these sort of designs for speed ski-ing or the like because unpowered speed and time is the key, but racing is about more than just speed; as we all know that the fastest bike is not always the rider that wins a race. So surely these ugly slipstream protrusions cannot make such a massive difference? They are indeed just a fashion and therefore a money making gimmick in my opinion..... No real advantage at all I'd say. 

What will be next? The speed ski boots too? Lol


Is this the MotoGP rider leathers, helmet and boots for next season? Seems this is the way they are going. EEEeeek!!!! Only a mother could love that look! Lol 
But seriously. Who on earth wants to see Moto GP riders in this type of gear, because this is what will happen if they don't stamp this rider slipstreaming styling out soon. 

Hawk.

If they wernt comfterable then riders wouldn't wear them surely... I know for a fact the my X-Lite is the most comfterable helmet ive ever warn even at high speed (it certinaly doesnt want to rip my head off over 70MPH compared to my old shark or HJC)

And i love the current line up of gear the riders have got. Im sure about some of the "bolted on" bits on the leathers and Boots but done tastfuly it can look really nice.

[HornetMaX]

Hawk, are you really going ballistic for the tiny wing behind VR helmet ?! 

At high speed, non-aerodynamic shapes generate drag: drag = power wasted. On top, the little wing can also have the side benefit of making the helmet more comfortable at high speed (less turbulence behind it). All at no price in terms of security. And the wing is transparent, on tv you may not even notice it.

Stop bitching and go wear your leather helmet

[Hawk]

Hawk, are you really going ballistic for the tiny wing behind VR helmet ?! 

At high speed, non-aerodynamic shapes generate drag: drag = power wasted. On top, the little wing can also have the side benefit of making the helmet more comfortable at high speed (less turbulence behind it). All at no price in terms of security. And the wing is transparent, on tv you may not even notice it.

Stop bitching and go wear your leather helmet

Haha! I'm certainly not going "ballistic" over this at all. Lol
More a precautionary warning that this is how far designers and teams will go if FIM don't start to take this seriously and start to make rules to stop slipstream designs going too far, and that if left to their own devices the teams and designers will end up killing someone for the sake of an extra few 1 thousands of a second. Just look what happened in F1 many years ago when designers were left to their own devices without considering the safety of the cars they were designing, many drivers were killed in the process until some safety rules were designed into their creations.

Maybe I am just an old-coot harking to the past, but the same goes for those silly looking aerofoil fins on the bike fairings they have been testing and using recently.... they just look so wrong..... It's like the difference between listening to a well tuned guitar and one that is totally out of tune.... just looks ugly. 

Yes I understand that non-aerodynamic shapes cause drag, but surely the difference these changes are making are very negligible to be warranted? So I therefore put it to you all that yes these designs are more of a fashion gimmick than genuinely needed in any shape or form. 

Hawk.

[HornetMaX]

More a precautionary warning that this is how far designers and teams will go if FIM don't start to take this seriously and start to make rules to stop slipstream designs going too far, and that if left to their own devices the teams and designers will end up killing someone for the sake of an extra few 1 thousands of a second.

Do you think that the risk involved with a tiny wing behind the helmet makes a change in the overall risk of riding a bike at 300+Kmh in close proximity of other bikes ? I doubt.
Even the wings on the bike fairing (that, personally I don't like too much either) are unlikely to be a security risk.

Maybe I am just an old-coot harking to the past

Maybe ? 

but the same goes for those silly looking aerofoil fins on the bike fairings they have been testing and using recently.... they just look so wrong..... It's like the difference between listening to a well tuned guitar and one that is totally out of tune.... just looks ugly. 

Are you putting forward a security argument or an aesthetic one ?

Yes I understand that non-aerodynamic shapes cause drag, but surely the difference these changes are making are very negligible to be warranted?

If it was negligible, they just wouldn't use it. Aerodynamics is a true bitch of a thingy.

You've seen front fairings with plenty of holes for tracks that are a bit windy, right ?
Are they ugly ? Don't know.
Are they worth ? The riders says yes. So the fact they may be ugly becomes irrelevant.

[Hawk]

@Max: I'm talking about both safety and aesthetics.... Both are important; safety concerns the riders, aesthetics concerns the well-being for sponsorship of the sport because if the bikes and riders don't look good then the viewing figures go down and the sponsorship suffers as a result(that was another lesson hard learned by F1 many years ago too).

I'm talking in general about the ugly trend for protruding slipstream type styling that is rearing it's ugly head again since they changed the riders leathers to include that ugly humpback protrusion years ago now. I'm not particularly talking only about the new Rossi helmet in the 1st post here except that in my opinion the shape looks "Ugly" besides the Perspex foil on the rear(which no, I doubt it presents any dangerous risk at all, but you can see were it's leading in the near future, right? ie: the speed skiing helmet pictured in my post above).  But mark my words and let's wait and see were this slipstreaming fashion ends up. 

To say that if the slipstreaming protrusions was negligible they wouldn't use them is ignoring the team, helmet or manufacturers designers main priority, which is to make(in their eyes) a good looking fashionable helmet style to sell to the MotoGP fans that also ideally wouldn't make any negative difference to the riders performance. We live in a massively consumer society and unfortunately some of the modern designers ideas these days have a lot to be desired in my opinion. So I doubt very much this has anything to do with improving performance whatsoever even if the riders bullshit people because they are under contract with the item manufactures to promote the benefits of their products. Lol

They say fashion always ends up repeating itself.... How much longer do we have to wait before "The Return of the 2 Strokes" and normal looking leathers and helmets again. Hehe! 

Actually I'd have thought if they were genuinely concerned with performance with these gimmicks, they would be concentrating on the shark texture material to put on their helmets, leathers and fairings? That has proven aerodynamic advantages that would definitely give them more speed through the air. But not heard any development in that area for MotoGP. But then it's not the sort of thing they could viably put into consumer products because of the cost being too high for ordinary people to buy.

Commercialisation of a sport is great to a certain degree, but when the sport becomes dominated solely by commercial interests alone then the sport dies and the pantomime begins. 

Hawk.