GP Bikes beta8

[dareaper46]

Just wanted to say that the 500cc physics is unacceptable.

I'd go as far and say it's worse then ever.


Brakes and lean angle might be better but the wobbles make the bike completely unridable.

I don't accept not going full throttle on straights in 6th gear as a solution.

edit: that said, given what piboso told us, I think that modders should be able to come up with a very nice 500 but it will require a lot of fine tuning.

Vin... While doing the first 500cc race before the re-run I played around with settings alot and found a setting which is MUCH more stable in terms of wobbling. If you want I can give it to you sometime and you can try it? It might be just me but yea.

[Blackheart]

Just wanted to say that the 500cc physics is unacceptable.

I'd go as far and say it's worse then ever.


Brakes and lean angle might be better but the wobbles make the bike completely unridable.

I don't accept not going full throttle on straights in 6th gear as a solution.

edit: that said, given what piboso told us, I think that modders should be able to come up with a very nice 500 but it will require a lot of fine tuning.

Sorry but no, no and no, the 500 is a beautiful bike, for the wobbles its easy play with the setup setting ... 

[Napalm Nick]

Personally the wobble3zero is a physics problem affects all bikes.  I admit it can be tuned out somewhat in settings but these are often extreme settings. The problem is fundamental IMO not individual bike related or setup related.

Not much point modders making bikes that cure it (other  than to save our sanity) if the core physics is broken somewhere?

[doubledragoncc]

I asked before but nobody answered, Do you guys have a problem with double up shifts as it is killing me? I found the upshift time in the bikes cfg is only 0.02 and downshift 0.06, when I set upshift to 0.08 it cures the double shifts but give bike mismatch online as it is a modded bike file!!! This is so fricking stupid that because the shift timing is wrong, I cant fix it and use it, or rather nobody can except for off line practice.

If others are having this problem and it is with all bikes I find, then all we have to do is update the bike cfg for everyone and the bike on the server to fix it............right?

So please guys, if you have this problem report it so we can fix it.

Next is replays. Last race Nick recorded 1 hour 15 mins and it was 399MB, my recording was only 9mins 4secs and 477MB??? Whats that all about. If graphic setting effect it, are they not thought about? Why only 500MB max replay? I cant record a whole race and make any videos now, it sucks.

Nicks smoke mod looked cool on the start line but I think I need to enrich the bikes a bit lol.

DD

[HornetMaX]

I don't recall having the problem regularly. However notice that having a upshift time different from downshift time in the bik .cfg file is totally normal, it's not a bug.
Also, it's normal that if you change them, you get a mismatch.

[Napalm Nick]

Re DD:

Server stuff answered in the race thread mate. To re-iterate 500 is not the max setting tho.

I don't have any double shift problems sorry. On an old controller I did because the button had gone supersensitive (didn't release fully) but I doubt that is your problem, just sayin.

Will do a smoke fiddle but cautious of making it too crazy!   

[doubledragoncc]

I know that Max that is because the bike file on the server must match. This is why I ask if others would want to fix this to as it is ruining my riding and should be allowed to correct for online riding too. It is an error and should be fixed, its that simple. The timing NEEDS to be changed as it is effected by what kind of digital button is being used and how sensitive it is. My switches are light touch to make for quicker action and GPB seems to count ONE press as TWO as the timing is to low. It is not fair to anyone if this is happening but cant be fixed as it is not written by P that way. I have a cure but I cant use it unless others do thats all.

DD

[dareaper46]

Personally the wobble3zero is a physics problem affects all bikes.  I admit it can be tuned out somewhat in settings but these are often extreme settings. The problem is fundamental IMO not individual bike related or setup related.

Not much point modders making bikes that cure it (other  than to save our sanity) if the core physics is broken somewhere?

I agree Nick. Even though its semi-curable with setups, I also believe its a bug on the physics part. Any bike has wobbles and jerks etc etc. But like ive said before. Its excessive. Not realistic.

[HornetMaX]

I know that Max that is because the bike file on the server must match. This is why I ask if others would want to fix this to as it is ruining my riding and should be allowed to correct for online riding too. It is an error and should be fixed, its that simple. The timing NEEDS to be changed as it is effected by what kind of digital button is being used and how sensitive it is. My switches are light touch to make for quicker action and GPB seems to count ONE press as TWO as the timing is to low. It is not fair to anyone if this is happening but cant be fixed as it is not written by P that way. I have a cure but I cant use it unless others do thats all.

I disagree man, strongly. The timing is fine, it reflects what a real bike can do. The problem is in your button: if GPB sees two press, it's because the button has sent two press. Buttons that need to operate quickly need to have "anti-bounce" protection to avoid that. http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/digital/chpt-4/contact-bounce/

[Napalm Nick]

Whilst I feel your pain of course, I agree with MaX, and there are other issues to consider also:

1. Modding the default bikes will make PiBoSo unhappy.
2. We will be excluding anyone who doesn't want to change (because they want to use all servers).
3. We will be excluding anyone who has bought the game recently/doesn't know about such stuff.
4. Real settings rule (if they work properly)

Of course if feedback to your question suggests there IS a physics problem then PiBoSo must agree and fix it. But at least modders will know for ModBikes.

[doubledragoncc]

I fully understand all those points Nick. It is just so wrong that when there is an error and it is by the lord himself, that we have to suffer it even if we could fix it!!!

So basically, anyone with old gamepads where buttons stick or someone with sensitive new switches has to suffer this bug because the lord says so.................great, really a good way of thinking....................NOT lol

So if I host an online race and my cfg is edited nobody can ride with me either!!! So I am stuck with frickin double shifts if I want to race. Or I can actually have the bike work correctly but have to ride alone!!! Thats a crock of shit.

DD

[Napalm Nick]

Did you try your more sensitive thumb?  - that's a joke- don't think I am not on the same page as you here.

I may be talking a crock too, but I would experiment with my button press technique (stop it - I can see the flames from your eyes and smoke from your ears from here  ). Sounds really a sh~t thing to suggest but I know on my old controller my finger kinda learnt a new way to cope with the sensitivity and it eased the woes (until I threw it in the skip, the controller not the finger).

Feel free to ignore this whole post if it enrages you, but don't hold it against me 

[doubledragoncc]

I hear you Nick, I tried all techniques, I have 12 NEW buttons and foot shift switches, ALL do the same. It was not so bad in beta7 but I also noticed that with different gear ratios it would get WORSE and even do 3 upshifts!!! The timing is wrong bro its that simple. It is to close and unrealistic. To change it from 0.02 to 0.08 is all it takes and it will NOT effect upshifts to ANYONE in any other way than to stop miss shifts. Oh and by the way, it is so bad when using the clutch it is worse than riding in a Milestone game!!!

I am just angry that we are not allowed to fix shit like this. We pay our money but can not do a thing to fix a problem and an error. I thought the point of GPB was to be realistic???

DD

[Napalm Nick]

Post up (attach)your modded cfg file for me/us to try bud.

If you get a server going I can then also join it.

I suppose the crux is "is 0.2 or 0.8 a realistic quickshifter time"? I know not.

[doubledragoncc]

It is easier to just edit and try the bikes cfg (varese_v594.cfg or whatever bike)  with the bold figure

NumGears = 6
   Gear0 = 0
   Gear1 = 2
   Gear2 = 4
   Gear3 = 6
   Gear4 = 8
   Gear5 = 10

   UpshiftTime = 0.08
   DownshiftTime = 0.06

   DisengageTime = 0.02
   DisengageMaxTorque = 80
   
   EngageTime = 0.02
   EngageMaxSpeedDiff = 250

And it is just as quick to upshift but WONT miss shift unless you actually do something wrong!!! Thats the point.

DD