IASystems Hs2 StreetFighter system

[Hawk]

Guys I was trying to say, instead of buying a set of pedals with a BU box which is 20 quid, I could modify a gamepad with them so you had your gamepad with pedals connected to the gamepad I have done it to my old one and worked great. The pedals would just unplug from the game pad to plug into my bars if you got some. It is a bit of work to get right as you lose HALF n axis on the right or left thumbstick or whichever axis you use for rear brake.

20 quid is not biggie if it make the pedals more usable. I'd take pedals with their own controller (i.e. pluggable in any usb port) over pedals wired to a joypad any day.

But if you want to start selling, you'll have to put prices out somewhere, so people could make the calls, instead of yu trying to save a few quid on something many will not even bother to consider.

The pedals look very nice (only "weak" point I see is  I can't judge how sturdy the "plastic" of the pedals is): put a price on them (with/without the BU box eventually, even if I'd expect people to be willing to get them with) and post it here to get the thing started.

P.S.
You could make a "controller box" to which one could plug the pedals (alone) the bars (alone) or both.
The box could be put on the pedals frame (velcro or whatever) or on the bars frame/dash.
This way, people can buy-in progressively.

+1 Max. My thoughts exactly. 

Hawk.

[doubledragoncc]

Max, the bars can NOT be just plugged into a box they are HARDWIRED, soldered to the box. I am not going to redesign the whole handlebars point of being totally self sufficient electronically just to sell pedals on there own. It was a lot of work to get it so compact and not need a shit load of cables running from the bars to a control box. I am not going to go backwards lol.

So.............I will offer just pedals with the lowest price controller in an enclosure. I will sit down and see how much I can do them for, for GPBOC members. Regular price is £125.00 for just the foot controls.

In a year I have not broken one lever. They are not weak but you cant stomp on them, and if you do you should not ride a bike. In real life you FEEL your controls, you dont stomp on them all the time. I admit they are really made to use in socks. I can make them reinforced with an ali backing if need be but it is more work more cost just because you cant learn how to use a control properly.

Try bending a honeycomb structure as that is the infill I use. They are not just a solid bit of plastic, the design is technically strong. Ask CDX he has used all my stuff and seen how strong the ABS is. I can wack the stuff with a hammer and it dont break easy at all. Remember the original GT40 chassis? I use the same design for strength in my parts.

DD

[HornetMaX]

Max, the bars can NOT be just plugged into a box they are HARDWIRED, soldered to the box. I am not going to redesign the whole handlebars point of being totally self sufficient electronically just to sell pedals on there own. It was a lot of work to get it so compact and not need a shit load of cables running from the bars to a control box. I am not going to go backwards lol.

I will not push you, but if it was possible, it would be a moderate plus.
The "box" I'm talking about could contain (essentially) just Leo's BU: all the rest of the electronics could sit where it is right now.
I do appreciate it requires a bit of redesign though, so, as far as you can sell the pedals stand-alone (with their own BU), you'll be fine.

So.............I will offer just pedals with the lowest price controller in an enclosure. I will sit down and see how much I can do them for, for GPBOC members. Regular price is £125.00 for just the foot controls.

Which is fine for me, if the pedals come with their own BU, so that people could use them with their own joypad/joystick/wheel/whatever

In a year I have not broken one lever. They are not weak but you cant stomp on them, and if you do you should not ride a bike. In real life you FEEL your controls, you dont stomp on them all the time. I admit they are really made to use in socks. I can make them reinforced with an ali backing if need be but it is more work more cost just because you cant learn how to use a control properly.

Try bending a honeycomb structure as that is the infill I use. They are not just a solid bit of plastic, the design is technically strong. Ask CDX he has used all my stuff and seen how strong the ABS is. I can wack the stuff with a hammer and it dont break easy at all. Remember the original GT40 chassis? I use the same design for strength in my parts.

I can take your word on that, no problem. But as I don't see how the "plastic" part is "splined" to the rotating axis (that would be the breaking point), I cannot judge. Essentially, what's inside the boxes where the pedals "lever" starts from.

Everything else looks rock solid and near-pro grade !

[doubledragoncc]

Sorry but NO to redesigning the bars in ANY way it has taken me years to get it right.
They stay exactly as they are.

So you know. The materials and parts for the pedals with a BU box for stand alone use is £85 and it is about 6 hours work and 20 hours printing(electric and supervision) to make them. That is plug n play out the box including USB cable lol. They can then just plug into the handlebar controller plug jack for foot controls that all systems have.

So sorry but £135 plus shipping is the least I can really do them for. I know it is only  £15 discount in the end but it means I earn only about £40 a unit after all costs, thats less than £9 an hour. I need to earn money to buy a new server system for GPBOC lol.

One thing I will say is that if you order a handlebar system later, you wont have to pay for another BU controller as I can use the one you have to make a complete system.

DD

[HornetMaX]

So sorry but £135 plus shipping is the least I can really do them for.

Err, I'm in no way disputing the price man. That's absolutely up to you.

One thing I will say is that if you order a handlebar system later, you wont have to pay for another BU controller as I can use the one you have to make a complete system.

I'm confused now, that's exactly what I was asking for. How would this work ?
One buys the pedal, they come with the BU controller. If after one buys you the bars, how could one put both on the same BU controller ?

[doubledragoncc]

I would only wire up the foot controls exactly as they are if on the handlebars system. As they are unplug-able, then when you order an Hs2 bar system you would send me back the BU to be wired in completely.

DD

[h106frp]

Just to say, the material DD uses is very strong - the 2 little boxes i received almost appear to be machined from solid rather than by additive manufacturing with no indication of porosity in the structure and has a decent level of ductility - impressive stuff.

I do think a connector between bars and foot controls is a good idea though - most people have issues with storage or may need an extension cable (seperate accessory for more £££) for a tidy set up and the ability to tuck the pedals away when not in use. I would be happy to pay a few extra quid for a connector and i think you will sell more if you can supply as 2 separate items that can be added to later without the shipping overheads.

I do like the foot controls and the price seems reasonable compared to foot controls for driving games from existing vendors. What is the bar diameter? could you slip a standard bat grip onto the tube for sock wearing comfort?

You should get some detailed videos of the mechanisms in action on you website - it would be nice to see the actuation working close up.

[doubledragoncc]

Hi H, The footpegs are 16mm diameter 3mm wall steel. I have found a hose manufacurer that has a tuning hose for the automotive world that would add more comfort. I just dont like a thick looking peg. IT comes in a silicone in many colors.





This would add comfort and is long lasting I should think. Adds about £4 to the price, its not cheap and i have to by a min of £12 worth in just one color. I am looking for new end caps that work or I will make some.

The only way I will do this is that the foot controls will be stand alone with their own BU box that they can be plugged in and out of in exactly the same way as on the full Hs2 system. You dont need extension cables as the foot control cable is 1.5m long. Supplied USB cable is 5m long.
I will make a video so you can see what I mean about not wanting to ruin how clean the design is and it HAS a connector to put on and take of the foot controls whenever you want to. You dont have to have the foot controls plugged in to use the bars, but you can add them any time and then just unplug them and store them out the way.

[doubledragoncc]

Here is a guide of the standard connector system on the Hs2. Note the permanently wired switches. I am not going to add a great fat cable and horrible bulky connector that has to hang from the bars to the frame that costs more, adds a load more wiring work and looks terrible. Plus design a new box that has to be much bigger and will take 3 times as long to print.



I have made a small 0.5m loom that has the USB, Foot Control and Steering connectors in a neat braided cover that is ALL that is hanging from the bars to the frame.



The bulky end is mounted to the desk frame, the other end goes to the control box and all that is seen hanging is the braided part of the cable loom. You just plug your foot controls in and out at the desktop frame connector.

DD

[h106frp]

Thanks for explaining the connections, that makes more sense now.

The tubing will be cheaper than racing slippers  Who would have though they even made such a thing!

[HornetMaX]

I would only wire up the foot controls exactly as they are if on the handlebars system. As they are unplug-able, then when you order an Hs2 bar system you would send me back the BU to be wired in completely.

Which seems not worth it, as the price of the BU is 20 quid and one would have to pay for the shipping the BU to you, actually saving less than 20 quid.

Looks to me that if one wants the full thingy, then your design is all good. For separate parts (standalone pedals or standalone bars), just have one independent controller for each.
Slightly less practical they day one owns both (as one would have 2 usb cables), but way more flexible before.

@h106frp: people do take simracing way too seriously if you ask me

[doubledragoncc]

As I joked before but meant it.

All sales to GPBOC members, I will use the money for a new stand alone server system for the club so it can run 24/7.

I will use nearly all profits except what is needed for tooling by wear and tear.

DD

[doubledragoncc]

Hi guys. So finally got the main connector loom done except they sent the wrong shrink tube so waiting for the replacement to just finish off totally.



Better than 3 separate cables hanging there!!!

So while I wait for the final bit I will be fully testing and making sure it is setup for all games before I ship it to Darin at ISR.



Dont worry all those cables are NOT for the controller lol. Just the USB cable runs from the system and naturally a cable to the foot controls. My flat is getting new windows so its all just hanging so I can move it all in the morning.







Well I'm off for a cuppa and smoke. Video's to follow with more details on the system #soon.

Gonna watch you guys on the server and run some sound tests for GPB bike volumes.

DD

[Napalm Nick]

Dat looks neat and tidy DD great job really like it.

[doubledragoncc]

Thanks Nick.

Thats as compact and claen as I can get it without big bucks lol.

DD