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FIM MotoGP/Moto2/Moto3 2018

Started by speedfr, March 16, 2018, 08:10:36 PM

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HornetMaX

And another great race to watch. Some very enjoyable fighting from the two future teammates !

We'll never know what went wrong, but Ducati has really made quite a mess with Jorge ...

poumpouny

After Yamaha making official apologies for making  a shit bike, we now wait for milestone to make official apologies to make such a shit bike simulator ... simcade.... game  ;D

PS : @Pisobo whe want that bike surf crash animation in the next beta  ;D

speedfr

Now they are stealing the Electronics ingenier from WSBK team... Looks way too late to do that, we will see.
I seriously think some heads should be fired from Yamaha, and to me the first one is Jarvis. 3 mistakes in one year. Heavy ones (Vinales re-signed, Zarco going away and not listening to Rossi who probably knows what exactly this M1 is missing).

This year is weird. Next will be explosive !!
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uberslug

Rossi is the reason they're in this mess... :)

speedfr

August 19, 2018, 09:25:44 PM #259 Last Edit: August 19, 2018, 10:05:46 PM by speedfr
You are probably right but since they took this way, Rossi is the best asset they had to tweak this bike correctly.

Sure that if Rossi wasn't using all his strength in Yamaha to keep the other ones away... At the same time, he is the best commercial for the 3 Tuning Fork brand.
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poumpouny

Uberslug > you seems to forget that rossi was 2nd in the championship before austria, he was 3 consecutive time on the podium on a "shit" bike vinales and zarco is miles behind, so i don't think you're objective when you say it's rossi the problem, i'm not a rossi fanboy, but i'don't know what is the reason and argument why you say that ....

HornetMaX

Personal opinion: until now, Yam's season with Rossi 2nd or very close to, is probably better than what some people think/say (including, well ... Rossi).

What I find *INCREDIBLY* funny however is people saying "Rossi is doing miracles" and/or "Yam is crap while Honda is the best bike ever".
Usually their "proof" is the following: "Yeah, Rossi is 2nd, but look at Zarco and Vinales ! It's just Rossi doing miracles, Marquez is having an easy life.".

But then you look at the standings and ... the 2nd Honda (Crutchlow) is 8th, behind 3 Yam and 3 Ducati ...

uberslug

Quote from: poumpouny on August 20, 2018, 06:56:50 AM
Uberslug > you seems to forget that rossi was 2nd in the championship before austria, he was 3 consecutive time on the podium on a "shit" bike vinales and zarco is miles behind, so i don't think you're objective when you say it's rossi the problem, i'm not a rossi fanboy, but i'don't know what is the reason and argument why you say that ....

No, I haven't forgotten.

Since Rossi rejoined Yamaha the bike has been in a steady state of de-evolution. Neither he nor Vinales really know what it is they need in order to regain competitiveness because if they did we wouldn't be having this discussion.

speedfr

Yes Uberslug,

Rossi keeps sayins that electronics (Magnetti Marelli ECU) is the problem. Since the first race.
Tyres gets destroy too fast, which is not the case of Ducati, Jorge was super good with 2 soft tyres during Austria race. And the entire race he was fast.
The Yamaha destroys the tyres too fast, can't pass the power to the ground. But they are too proud to hire a Magnetti-Marelli specialist as Honda or Ducati did. They paying it the entire year long.

To me the bad side of Rossi is that he keeps trying to place his own guys, himself and act as a "Queen" in Yamaha boxes. And Yamaha acts as a child, been scared so they signed Vinales asap to force Rossi to stay. But Vinales looks like a soap bubble that explode already and Rossi might be happy of that, he has no rival.
Then they cut the good things to TECH3, so at the first occasion, TECH3 decide to run away -> KTM. This way they lost Zarco (who is not the youngest) so i'm afraid his pilot time will soon be on the descending curve...

Rossi was a super star, super good, very funny sometimes, humiliating a little bit too much (Biaggi, Gibernau...) but his time is over. That's my own thinking. I followed his entire carrier between Honda, Ducati and Yamaha. Great rider. But now it's time to turn the page...
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HornetMaX

Quote from: speedfr on August 20, 2018, 11:32:04 AM
Rossi keeps sayins that electronics (Magnetti Marelli ECU) is the problem. Since the first race.
So he'll probably be happy next year, when *both* ECU and IMU will be standard for all the bikes, removing the possibility for teams to tamper with the actual ECU by introducing complex stuff in the IMU.

Or not :)

uberslug

Quote from: HornetMaX on August 20, 2018, 01:00:40 PM
Quote from: speedfr on August 20, 2018, 11:32:04 AM
Rossi keeps sayins that electronics (Magnetti Marelli ECU) is the problem. Since the first race.
So he'll probably be happy next year, when *both* ECU and IMU will be standard for all the bikes, removing the possibility for teams to tamper with the actual ECU by introducing complex stuff in the IMU.

Or not :)

Are you saying Yamaha botched their attempts at 'cheating'?

speedfr

I don't think we can talk about cheating.
They ALL plays with the limit.
On every mechanics sport that i follow it's the case.
Kawasaki on SBK, as Ducati did for years with the cc and the twin engine, same in the Nascar Cup Series, playing with millimeters, or the BOP on WEC/ELMS (remember Ford last year at Le Mans)and Yamaha didn't succeed in using the IMU to balance the unique ECU.
They all are doing that, that's part of the race, reading through the line.
Same things happens with Formula 1 or E-Formula and sometimes, a team get caught going a tiny bit too far...

I don't remember which team has been disqualifyed last year in Moto 2 for a non-conform engine oil...

Reminds me the old and only Rugby rules : You have the right to do everything until get caught by referee  ;D
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HornetMaX

Yeah, it can't be considered as cheating. Simplified to the extreme, rules say "You can't touch the ECU". The don't touch it, they just add stuff to the IMU that, once sent to the ECU, give the result they want (and not the result the ECU would give if connected to a plain IMU). That's why, if I understood it correctly, next year both ECU and IMU will be common, and that will be the end of the story (which I think is a good thing).

I think FIM has just been outsmarted by the constructor. Except Yamaha, that is :)
And they'll fix this next year.

poumpouny

For me :

Marquez is just the best for the moment (even if i don't really like the person, i have to admin he's the best)
Rossi is still one of the best rider. Despite his age and that his last title was in 2009, i think some guy just hate Rossi. Me i'm just looking at the end result of the championship :

2018 til now : 2nd
2017 : 5th
2016 : 2nd
2015 : 2nd

etc .......

So i don't really understand why the hell are you telling Rossi should now leave or stop ? why aren't you telling that to the yongest rider that don't even get rossi's result after says 5 years in moto gp class ? Dovi ? Ianone ? Vinales ? crutchlow ?

Really, i think you're not objectif.

I repeat it again, i'm not a Rossi fan boy, i'm just looking at the result board at the end of the season and i really don't understand some guys ....

Hawk

Quote from: poumpouny on August 20, 2018, 01:56:04 PM
For me :

Marquez is just the best for the moment (even if i don't really like the person, i have to admin he's the best)
Rossi is still one of the best rider. Despite his age and that his last title was in 2009, i think some guy just hate Rossi. Me i'm just looking at the end result of the championship :

2018 til now : 2nd
2017 : 5th
2016 : 2nd
2015 : 2nd

etc .......

So i don't really understand why the hell are you telling Rossi should now leave or stop ? why aren't you telling that to the yongest rider that don't even get rossi's result after says 5 years in moto gp class ? Dovi ? Ianone ? Vinales ? crutchlow ?

Really, i think you're not objectif.

I repeat it again, i'm not a Rossi fan boy, i'm just looking at the result board at the end of the season and i really don't understand some guys ....

+1
The most sensible conclusion I've yet heard here... Well said and pointed out Poumpouny! ;)

You all know my views on this and I'm not going to get drawn into this kind of debate yet again, but just to state that I'd scrap the whole MotoGP class, bring back the 2 strokes(with no electronic control devices at all) so we can get back to true rider skills..... Then you'd all see what Rossi can still do. Lol! :P ;D ;D

Rossi: "The G.O.A.T.", the most experienced rider on tour by a whacking country-mile and yet we have some people here talking as though Rossi doesn't know what he's doing or talking about??? Really!! Seriously!!! LOL! ;D ;D

Seems that MotoGP fans are now joining the rest of the world in nonsensical whackydom!  ::) ;D ;D