Rear brake

[QuentinUW]

Hello, I´m quite new to GP-bikes...but I noticed an issue with rear brake....i would like to use it to keep my front wheel down while accelerating...but it doesnt work. It has zero effect while wheeling....i use analog for controling it. Do you experience this as well? thx

[Abigor]

Hello, I´m quite new to GP-bikes...but I noticed an issue with rear brake....i would like to use it to keep my front wheel down while accelerating...but it doesnt work. It has zero effect while wheeling....i use analog for controling it. Do you experience this as well? thx

Yes......in beta 5b the bike is wheeling extreme.......i think beta 6 will be better 

[QuentinUW]

Hello, I´m quite new to GP-bikes...but I noticed an issue with rear brake....i would like to use it to keep my front wheel down while accelerating...but it doesnt work. It has zero effect while wheeling....i use analog for controling it. Do you experience this as well? thx

Yes......in beta 5b the bike is wheeling extreme.......i think beta 6 will be better 

I dont have problem whith wheelies, but with rear brake not functioning to put the wheel down....

[Abigor]

Hello, I´m quite new to GP-bikes...but I noticed an issue with rear brake....i would like to use it to keep my front wheel down while accelerating...but it doesnt work. It has zero effect while wheeling....i use analog for controling it. Do you experience this as well? thx

Yes......in beta 5b the bike is wheeling extreme.......i think beta 6 will be better 

I dont have problem whith wheelies, but with rear brake not functioning to put the wheel down....

ok....if you dont have problem whith wheelies why you need rear brake 

[EdouardB]

About the use of rear brake in motoGP:

It depends a lot on the rider but a lot of riders use it to:

- "tighten" their line when they are too wide in a corner (because grabbing the front brake in that situation usually results in a lowside)
- control wheelies and traction in general when accelerating - Dani Pedrosa is known to be a very obvious example of this. This video for example shows it well, he uses it throughout the acceleration. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxyNCr-98ZU
I have seen other riders do it during the replays sometimes.

Generally speaking, the slow motion replays are great to look at the use of the rear brake.

[QuentinUW]

About the use of rear brake in motoGP:

It depends a lot on the rider but a lot of riders use it to:

- "tighten" their line when they are too wide in a corner (because grabbing the front brake in that situation usually results in a lowside)
- control wheelies and traction in general when accelerating - Dani Pedrosa is known to be a very obvious example of this. This video for example shows it well, he uses it throughout the acceleration. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxyNCr-98ZU
I have seen other riders do it during the replays sometimes.

Generally speaking, the slow motion replays are great to look at the use of the rear brake.

ok, correction...i woudnt have had problem with wheelies, if rear brake would work to put front wheel down. does anyone else experience this problem?

[HornetMaX]

ok, correction...i woudnt have had problem with wheelies, if rear brake would work to put front wheel down. does anyone else experience this problem?

Wheelings in beta5 seems to be a bit excessive, likely the situation will improve with beta6.
Notice however that for the me rear brake is effective against a wheelie, at least against a "slow" one (like the one at the end of the straight on Victoria with the 990).
Of course, the rear brake won't help much if you open the throttle fully in 2nd gear at the right RPM ...

MaX.

[BOBR6 84]

Rear brake bringing wheelies down is ok. Good example Max with victoria!

As said wheelies are a bit excessive on beta5b anyway..

Done many laps over the wkend.. Now I find the rear brake is actually not too bad on the 1000's lol.

500's & 250cc are the bikes where the rear brake is a must!

Also I wasnt saying nobody uses the rear brake! I was saying the rear brake closes trajectory too much.

Eg.  On the brakes going into a tight turn, keep braking up to the apex, mid corner do nothing but turn, then back on throttle on the exit. Thats fine!

Long sweeping bends on the 500 the rear brake helps keep a tight line a little too much going around the corner.. Imo.

Should be able to do it with the throttle!

We all know (or should know) if you are going wide you use rear brake not the front brake and that some riders incorporate the rear brake in their riding. But thats not what the topic is about.

[HornetMaX]

Right BOB, your thoughts were clear to me, but the discussion somehow deviated after iVolution saying "As I always understood it, the rear brake is almost never used like we do it in GPbikes, to tighten the corners".

Now, too much effect or not, I surely can't comment on this but likely, none of us could ... at least not for the 990

MaX.

[BOBR6 84]

I guess this topic is irrelevent now..

I only know how to ride my bike.. Not a grand prix bike.
Besides there is plenty of guys much faster than me on gpbikes! So im talking about my own limits.. We need more feedback off the faster guys!

One thing I love about gpbikes is that its hard to realize how fast you can go! Such as real life..

Comon mistake I always make on GPB is braking to much or hanging onto the brake too long.. All makes sense when you let go of the brake lol

[WALKEN]

I guess this topic is irrelevent now..

I only know how to ride my bike.. Not a grand prix bike.
Besides there is plenty of guys much faster than me on gpbikes! So im talking about my own limits.. We need more feedback off the faster guys!

One thing I love about gpbikes is that its hard to realize how fast you can go! Such as real life..

Comon mistake I always make on GPB is braking to much or hanging onto the brake too long.. All makes sense when you let go of the brake lol

The part about realizing how fast one can go. Using GPBikes after playing a console game is hard to accept reality.  But as you mentioned, "like in real life" who knows the fastest way around?  I would imagine any console gamer would write it off as having terrible physics as it doesn't suit the user friendly crowd...

I would imagine if enough dedication was applied to GPBikes then maybe a few riders can really tap into the fine tuning of finding the limit of bike and track. But first there is that lack of proper controller holding it all back... 

I may go buy a flight stick as that would be closer to reality than a game pad...

But the rear brake thing I think is hard to tell a true story because 4 strokes and 2 strokes are very different beasts...

I must also bring an idea or thought that adapting is the true challenge to over come regardless of how awkward it may first feel...  Like people using 3rd person view, it becomes 2nd nature and the reality is first person, and should be used if your using GPBikes as a simulation. With that being said most people will go faster using 3rd person as its not realistic hence the idea of opinion possibly being ill in a feed back situation...     

[BOBR6 84]

Well said! I agree..

You should change your name to.. The Oricle! 

I do enjoy GPB in first person! Id like the view dropped down a bit like beta4 again though.. But like you say most are faster with 3rd person, which isnt realistic.

I have to say using cockpit view the physics seem brilliant, especially on the brakes!

3rd person view we all compare to games..

[Klax75]

For me I think the biggest problem is I am a helmet view only guy. But a lot of people use 3rd person, so in that they assume everyone else is. Then they try to make passes maybe they shouldn't. Assuming that the other person is in 3rd person and would see them. Where in helmet view there isn't enough audio queues, for distance and left and right. You can't tell where someone is next to you. Also if we had TracKIR (Or simular, I own TrackIR 5 so I mentioned that one) support would make it so I could glance my head to either side quickly without looking totally behind me.

[BOBR6 84]

Yeah I agree its tricky when its helmet view vs 3rd person!
Id like to take part in 1 of stout's onboard events.. That way its better.. Dont need to know where people are. Its up to them to pass cleanly! As long as u stick to the racing line its all good!

I had my controls set up so I can look L/R while onboard.. But sometimes slip the clutch in doing so hahaha

I guess you used up all the controller klax?

[Klax75]

I'm trying right now using the D-Pad left and right to glance left and right. Only thing is with DST I'm spending a lot of time not to let the bike fall over so I'd only be able to glance when in a straight.  Not when people are trying to out brake you.

Only other thing I can think of, other then having 3 monitors. lol Is when Beta 6 comes out with auto rider lean with manual override then you could possibly use one of your buttons on the X-Box controller to glance without worrying about not being tucked in, or taking your thumb off the steering stick.