Endurance World Championship Bikeset (W.I.P.)

[Gzehoo]

Damn, be patient please! Do you really need to write the same message in this topic because you can't wait? I also can't wait to try this bike but I know that bike authors could not have a time to work on this bike or release it.

[Abigor]

Yoooo r1rossi......I have the feeling that this bikeset will be deleted 7 days 

[JamoZ]

yes, they just confirmed that the release will take at least another month 

[RiccoChicco]

Not a month, a week.

[JamoZ]

Not a month, a week.

Dammit, play along Ricco

[BOBR6 84]

Just interested about the R1!
Will it have its own engine character? (crossplain crank) power delivery? Or will it be the same as the maurasama? Just curious..

[RiccoChicco]

Nope, Murasama physics for the first realease! 

Dammit, play along Ricco

[HornetMaX]

Just interested about the R1!
Will it have its own engine character? (crossplain crank) power delivery? Or will it be the same as the maurasama? Just curious..

You'll never be able to tell a crossplane from a screamer by the power delivery unless you have very very sophisticated instruments on the bike (and even then it's not sure).

MaX.

[BOBR6 84]

Apart from the masses of bottom end torque and mechanical grip out of corners I agree lol

Dont worry though im not complaining! I like the 990.. And im looking forward to the mod! The bikes look very very nice!

[HornetMaX]

Apart from the masses of bottom end torque and mechanical grip out of corners I agree lol

The masses of bottom end torque compared to what ? Against other 1000cc 4cyl WSBK engines I doubt there's any difference (not to say against v4s).
Was the same for the 600 WSS: all the 4cyl are nearly identical.

The mechanical grip (which, btw, on the road bike is just marketing hype) is the thing that is not possible to model within the limited resources of a game.
It would require an extremely detailed model of the tire, just unthinkable.

Most likely, the only thing one could make specific to this bike is the sound, which is indeed peculiar.

MaX.

[BOBR6 84]

Yes I agree the overall performance of the bikes is obviously close, but how much do the electronics play a part in all that?
All I know is the big bang R1 feels alot different to most 1000cc bikes! Its just how it delivers the power it feels different.. It feels smoother but harder if that makes any sense lol

Alot of people say the R1 is better without electronics!

[HornetMaX]

Yes I agree the overall performance of the bikes is obviously close, but how much do the electronics play a part in all that?
All I know is the big bang R1 feels alot different to most 1000cc bikes! Its just how it delivers the power it feels different.. It feels smoother but harder if that makes any sense lol

Alot of people say the R1 is better without electronics!

I haven't  tried an R1 and anyway I wouldn't be able to judge, but the whole crossplane thing is 90% marketing: honda with the v5 had essentially a crossplane engine, but nobody called it crossplane so nobody cared (and I think others had crossplane engines before). Yamaha decided that, on top of some advantages  (in extreme racing conditions, for sure not on the road), giving the thing a catchy name, i.e. brand it, would help sales. And guess what, they were right (no big news).

I may be wrong, but I suspect that the "smoother but harder" thing is mostly a placebo effect one has after listening to the explanation of why a crossplane is (supposedly) better than a screamer.

If you read the official Yamaha documentation about the crossplane technology (hmm), the real advantage (for motgp bikes) is never mentioned: they talk about better balancing of inertia forces, or combining the positive carachteristics of a 2cyl and a 4cyl into a 3cyl crossplane (hmm, yeah). Nowhere they talk about the impact on tires (the real advantage): probably because for a street bike with street tires (or even race tires, but not top of the tech like motogp/wsb) the impact is zero.

But have to admit that a crossplane sounds nice: both as a name and as engine sound

MaX.

[BOBR6 84]

Yes its all marketing!

''the new R1 with motogp technology straight from rossi's M1'' hahahaha

My friend bought a brand new R6 stock roadbike to convert to a racebike..

Yamaha claim its at 120bhp or around there..
My mate had it on the dyno at 108bhp hahaha

I found the r1 diffcult to ride on the road compared to my blade.. Engine feels completely different. On the track its a missile coming out of tight slow corners!
In comparison the new zx10 is more like a 600 its got nothing unless u are high up in the revs..

[C21]

[OT]

My friend bought a brand new R6 stock roadbike to convert to a racebike..
Yamaha claim its at 120bhp or around there..
My mate had it on the dyno at 108bhp hahaha

which model year?
Yamaha measured the power output in a different way 

[HornetMaX]

Yes its all marketing!

''the new R1 with motogp technology straight from rossi's M1'' hahahaha

I found the r1 diffcult to ride on the road compared to my blade.. Engine feels completely different. On the track its a missile coming out of tight slow corners!
In comparison the new zx10 is more like a 600 its got nothing unless u are high up in the revs..

For sure there may be engine feeling differences on the stock bikes, but it's very unlikely they come from the engine being crossplane or not.

[OT]

My friend bought a brand new R6 stock roadbike to convert to a racebike..
Yamaha claim its at 120bhp or around there..
My mate had it on the dyno at 108bhp hahaha

which model year?
Yamaha measured the power output in a different way 

Yep, that's what they say when they cheat on the output power

Most of the time they measure it at the crankshaft (engine output, before clutch, gearbox and final transmission).
So 120bhp at crankshaft vs 108bhp at the wheel seems legit (10% loss, nice and round).

MaX.