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doubledragoncc

No Nick it is not an unrealistic means if it is a problem that is making the unrealistic wobbles that is not in any way overcoming a physics problem!!! Dude it shows clearly in the video that the wobble does not exist, forget everything else, just the wobble of the front forks. The bike still reacts basically the same as in GPB, BUT the wobble does not exist. This shows that there IS an error in how the bike is programmed in GPB compared to MXB. The bikes actual physics are the same, right, but the way the program receives the data is obviously different.

I have been doing a bit with Dwayne from Pcars forum on an app for de-bounce and steering input tuning in GPB. His app works great in all car sims but he had a problem with GPB........

"Seems that the sample rate of the game is too high for the system, I had the getstate function returning x=0 when the horizontal axis position was no near that value. Might be the same cause of your double shifting btw, I'll test if it does the same when a button is pressed just out of curiosity."

Now what he is speaking about is the steering, thats what his app is for, but GPB has a problem so I am going to ask him if he can do the same in MXB and see what the steering is like in that.

What I am trying to point out is that is the bikes physics ARE correct but GPB is reading them wrongly, then the bikes physics are correct, it is GPB's way it interprets the physics that is at fault. Fixing that is not a wrong direction if the physics dont need fixing.

Until we know which one it is, it is better to look at both angles than spend another 2 years doing loads of work that fixes nothing!!!

Look outside of the box!!!

DD
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doubledragoncc

BTW Hawky, if you have AI as an option you dont HAVE to use it bro!!! lol

It is an option, same as eating a shit sandwich, you dont have to if you dont want to.  ;D

DD
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Napalm Nick

Ha well I stuck my head outside the box once while eating a rather rancid sandwich and nearly got my head knocked off by a deluge of exclamation marks so now I don't like to  ;D

Quote from: doubledragoncc on March 24, 2016, 11:09:27 am.
The bikes actual physics are the same, right, but the way the program receives the data is obviously different.

This is it - I don't know. If I knew MXB uses the exact same physics as GPB how could I not agree. But I don't know and to me it seems unlikely.

Quote from: doubledragoncc on March 24, 2016, 11:09:27 am.
What I am trying to point out is that if the bikes physics ARE correct but GPB is reading them wrongly, then the bikes physics are correct, it is GPB's way it interprets the physics that is at fault. Fixing that is not a wrong direction if the physics dont need fixing.
DD


Totally agree mucka!!! It is a good point well explained ;)
"The post you are writing has been written at least ten times already in the last 15ish years. Its already been reported, suggested, discussed, ignored or archived (but mostly ignored). Why are you doing it again?"

Hawk

Quote from: doubledragoncc on March 24, 2016, 11:12:02 am
BTW Hawky, if you have AI as an option you dont HAVE to use it bro!!! lol

It is an option, same as eating a shit sandwich, you dont have to if you dont want to.  ;D

DD


That is a very good point DD.... and if I was thinking commercially then yes I would definitely include AI(as an optional gimmick) to get more sales.... Just makes me sad that a large majority of the market still want AI controlled objects in their games/sims when it isn't really up to the task it's being asked to do. Just give me one game or sim were you can argue against that point and you may start to turn me around..... In the meantime I'll take a bite of that shit sandwhich and beat the crap out of some dumb AI crims in Batman. Love that game! Hehe  ;D

But yeah. Good point DD.  ;)

Hawk.

dareaper46

Quote from: Hawk on March 24, 2016, 02:23:34 pm
Quote from: doubledragoncc on March 24, 2016, 11:12:02 am
BTW Hawky, if you have AI as an option you dont HAVE to use it bro!!! lol

It is an option, same as eating a shit sandwich, you dont have to if you dont want to.  ;D

DD


That is a very good point DD.... and if I was thinking commercially then yes I would definitely include AI(as an optional gimmick) to get more sales.... Just makes me sad that a large majority of the market still want AI controlled objects in their games/sims when it isn't really up to the task it's being asked to do. Just give me one game or sim were you can argue against that point and you may start to turn me around..... In the meantime I'll take a bite of that shit sandwhich and beat the crap out of some dumb AI crims in Batman. Love that game! Hehe  ;D

But yeah. Good point DD.  ;)

Hawk.


Hawk.... but is a "ghost" of yourself actually an AI? I'm not 100% sure it can be classified as AI. I think the majority of people here don't want bots, but atleast a representation of your/or someone else's fastest lap to improve.

doubledragoncc

dareaper, a ghost is the computers 3D exact replay of your last lap, or fastest lap. There is NO artificial intelligence as the computer is not THINKING and then controlling a bike and rider, it is doing a 3D replay thats all.

DD
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Napalm Nick

Quote from: Hawk on March 24, 2016, 11:01:15 am
AI is a pet hate of mine I'm afraid. As is best-line indicators(if you've noticed I never implement best-line indicators in any of the tracks I work on. If I had my way I wouldn't implement respawn in GPB either..... Very controversial subjects I know, but I say it how it is for me so..... Lol   ;) 8)

Hawk.


Hey I think that's why my corner anticipation doesn't work some tracks! Bad for onboard riding for players not using manual head look (I do) or a head tracking device  :'(
"The post you are writing has been written at least ten times already in the last 15ish years. Its already been reported, suggested, discussed, ignored or archived (but mostly ignored). Why are you doing it again?"

doubledragoncc

I hate best line indicators too dude. I dont see them in real life so why in a sim.

We dont have stupid yellow stickers on the brake levers saying BRAKE and an arrow showing you which way to pull it like the USA law stipulates for much stuff.

Mind you I still recon the woman that sued McDonald's for $1.5 Mil for burning her pussy caused all the HOT markings on their coffee cups!!!

Thank God you can turn the indicators off.

And since when has AI eva been remotely intelligent!!!

DD
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teeds

Quote from: doubledragoncc on March 24, 2016, 04:35:42 pm
I hate best line indicators too dude. I dont see them in real life so why in a sim.


Maybe consider the new guys that don't know any tracks eh ;)

And

Quote from: doubledragoncc on March 24, 2016, 11:12:02 am
It is an option, same as eating a shit sandwich, you dont have to if you dont want to.  ;D



dareaper46

Quote from: doubledragoncc on March 24, 2016, 04:15:28 pm
dareaper, a ghost is the computers 3D exact replay of your last lap, or fastest lap. There is NO artificial intelligence as the computer is not THINKING and then controlling a bike and rider, it is doing a 3D replay thats all.

DD


I know. I am just pointing out to Hawk that a ghost is not AI. Ofcourse I know what a ghost is.

doubledragoncc

LOL 46, it was your wording being as a question.

Yes new guys need turn indicators thats why it can be turned on/off. I would never want it removed from GPB for that reason. This should be a sim for everyone!!!

I need to get back to making this video btw. I got a pressy in my inbox hahaha.

Dr DD.......................maybe I can join VR 46 now Im a Doctor too  ::)

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Hawk

Quote from: Napalm Nick on March 24, 2016, 04:22:34 pm
Quote from: Hawk on March 24, 2016, 11:01:15 am
AI is a pet hate of mine I'm afraid. As is best-line indicators(if you've noticed I never implement best-line indicators in any of the tracks I work on. If I had my way I wouldn't implement respawn in GPB either..... Very controversial subjects I know, but I say it how it is for me so..... Lol   ;) 8)

Hawk.


Hey I think that's why my corner anticipation doesn't work some tracks! Bad for onboard riding for players not using manual head look (I do) or a head tracking device  :'(


Piboso does state that corner anticipation is not required.... so it can't be that much of a necessity  to have it surely? Lol

Hawk.

Napalm Nick

Yeh its not required to make a track is what he means I think.

Unfortunately, for us 'onboard' hardcore real simmers (lol), it removes the great head movement that corner anticipation brings :'(

"The post you are writing has been written at least ten times already in the last 15ish years. Its already been reported, suggested, discussed, ignored or archived (but mostly ignored). Why are you doing it again?"

Hawk

Quote from: doubledragoncc on March 24, 2016, 04:35:42 pm
I hate best line indicators too dude. I dont see them in real life so why in a sim.

We dont have stupid yellow stickers on the brake levers saying BRAKE and an arrow showing you which way to pull it like the USA law stipulates for much stuff.

Mind you I still recon the woman that sued McDonald's for $1.5 Mil for burning her pussy caused all the HOT markings on their coffee cups!!!

Thank God you can turn the indicators off.

And since when has AI eva been remotely intelligent!!!

DD


Haha!  ;D

Exactly right DD, so what's all the fuss about having AI riders(even as an option)too? They are more likely to teach you bad habits than do any good for you. That's probably why we get some riders(probably played too many milestone games) who fail to take caution when coming up to back markers and end up side-polling you just like AI riders tend to do. Lol  ;D

You can't beat getting out there on track with no aids or best lines or AI riders and learning the track yourself..... If riders want to learn best lines quicker then just ask a fast rider to show you his lines.  You can also get feedback and advice from a real rider - try that with bloody AI! Hehe!  ;D

As for a ghost rider.... WHY!? I mean, Why!? What real use is a ghost rider? Do you need to re-learn the mistakes you made the previous lap or what? I just can't understand what the fascination is with these arcadey gimmicks over doing things like you would in reality.  ::)
I wish someone could convince me otherwise because I'm starting to feel like I'm from a different planet here! Hehe!  ;D ;D

Hawk.

Hawk

Quote from: Napalm Nick on March 24, 2016, 06:23:15 pm
Yeh its not required to make a track is what he means I think.

Unfortunately, for us 'onboard' hardcore real simmers (lol), it removes the great head movement that corner anticipation brings :'(


So that's why Matty can't catch us! Hehe  ;D

I'm open to be convinced, but in my experience when I've tried "corner anticipation" it doesn't make any difference to a riders ability to take a corner at all in GPB. In fact it can be a pain in the ass in my opinion when using real first person view(not the tank view). I'll add it to this next Snetterton update as a test.... But your times have got to be 3 secs  a lap faster now or I'll take it off again. Hehe!  ;D

Hawk