Rear brake

[HornetMaX]

Point is.. If I dont use the rear brake im about 1second slower over a lap!

It shouldnt make that much of a difference if you use it or not..

Well, I don't know ... if rider X uses it it's surely because he feels faster using it. How much faster is hard to say, but if they go as far as mounting a thumb rear brake because it's handier / has more sensitivity than a pedal, then ...

MaX.

[BOBR6 84]

Yes I agree its personal preference if you use it, feel faster with it..

Original point was I dont think the rear brake in real life is as usefull as it is in GPB! In terms of tightening your line..

Try it for yourself..

[HornetMaX]

Yes I agree its personal preference if you use it, feel faster with it..

I meant in real life, not in GPB.

I can easily trust you when you say that in real life you don't go that much faster thanks to the real brake. But that's you on your bike.
Not sure I'll be happy to extend this to Marquez/Pedrosa on their bikes

If rear brake was so irrelevant in motogp, they wouldn't even put it on the bike (well, maybe they have for safety reasons, don't know).

MaX.

[BOBR6 84]

Lol I meant in real life too! 

Some riders use it. Some dont. We all agree on that..

All im saying is.. On GPB mid corner the rear brake helps the bike close the trajectory far too much.. Imo.

Im not saying take the rear brake out of GPB or that it doesnt have that effect in real life..

At the moment in GPB you have to use it because the advantage is huge..

If the advantage was the same in real life, everybody would use the rear brake mid corner to slingshot the bike to the apex lol

[WALKEN]

Interesting subject 

People debated me for years about rear braking, saying it isn't realistic. Well I'm pretty sure you can drag your rear into the apex if your good enough (in real life). It may cause flat spots in the tire if you abuse the technique.

Power sliding/rear braking were notorious in the 2 stroke arena...

I believe it to be very difficult to translate reality in a virtual sense without "getting away" with things that seem unnatural in reality hence the shear lack of danger in virtual.

But saying that, GPBikes is a simulation not someone's idea of reality rather real physics, so I would imagine a great understanding of physics would explain the oddities.   

[BOBR6 84]

Hi Walken

I agree with all of that! Some people trail brake and even back it into corners with the rear brake.. Think its called ''kiddie skidding'' not a joke.. Real technique alongside using the clutch to back it in. Good aggressive way of scrubbing speed off. Sometimes its a good idea to use the rear brake to slow the rear wheel down if you dont have a slipper clutch to.

Im litterally just talking about Mid corner though!

The rear brake mid corner helps to close the trajectory a bit too much imo.

Everywhere else the rear brake seems about right to me.. Its Just mid corner you touch rear brake and the bike turns on a knife edge!

But as always, if im wrong about this, im happy to stand corrected!

Im just writing down my thoughts.. 

[WALKEN]

Something to consider-

"Touch the back brake

When your speed is just a little bit too fast for feeling comfortable, simply touch the back brake. Not hard of course, but just gently touch it with your foot. Your motorcycle will steer even more into the corner and will not try to straighten up, so touching the back brake is never a problem for your line, and for cornering fluently."

http://www.lazymotorbike.eu/tips/corners/#brake

[BOBR6 84]

Yes rear brake will help you.

In GPB the rear brake helps too much lol.

[BOBR6 84]

Ps. Im struggling to describe exactly what I mean so I apologise if I come across as a ''know it all'' lol

[Warlock]

hehe don't worry BOB, it's clear enough what you are saying 

And thinking of this,...... i would say, yes probably.  If in real life helps that much all riders would use it.    But, are we sure motogp riders don't use it ?

[WALKEN]

I know what you mean Bob.

Like in the PS2 version of MotoGP 07 (Milestones first outing with Capcom)  The trick was to hold the rear brake "through"  the entire corner to hold as tight to the rumbles as possible.  The rear brake never locked it just put even pressure on.  Accelerating against the rear brake.  Kinda like that?   

I can't imagine this in reality but then again MotoGP riders are beyond reality sometimes so who knows what tricks are possible?

Thinking deeper into it, it could be a case of holding the front down by forcing the throttle against the rear brake,  maybe making for a controlled exit?  Using the suspension to your advantage in an odd manner?   

[Hawk]

Well... "Stone the crows!".... I've never used the rear brake in GPB....... I've always wondered why I can't get through corners as fast as some other guys. Lol 

Hawk.

[HornetMaX]

But, are we sure motogp riders don't use it ?

Actually we are sure of the opposite: some of them use it.
And judging by the fact Honda seems to try stuff on rear brake, they must be using fairly often.

@BOBR6: do you feel the effect mid turn to be excessive on all the bikes ?

MaX.

[BOBR6 84]

yes, all the bikes.. rear brake saves the day lol.  i have to use it now.. it sucks lol

[JJS209]

i have never used the rear brake on the track in a corner, in real life!
its only in some situations good to get the bike stable and we do not need to discuss that the rear brake in gpb is everything else than real.